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cdhilburn

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893 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: table saw ridgid jet jtas-10 r4511 recall right tilt

I have finally given up on my Craftsman 21833 because the dang alignment is not fixable. By the time I aligned it for the fifth time I finally realized it is the saw and not me. Of course I pick up on this 2-3 weeks after warranty is up. I’m an idiot!!!

After this debacle I have been looking for used saws with cabinet mounted trunnions only. I have been looking everywhere for a Ridgid R4511 because of the trunnion design and the price point. In my area most saws are portable or older Craftsman contractor saws so I am going to have to drive 2-3 hours for anything decent.

I have found 2 contenders. The first is the R4511. The seller is retired and has given up woodworking. Poor guy. He has added a router table and it will include the shop-vac with the auto on switch. Sounds like he knows what he is doing. His price is $395. I know that is more than many paid when discontinued and new but he is going to give me 10 days to pick it up (my busy schedule) so I figure an extra bit of money here or there shouldn’t be a deal breaker. Plus it already has the router table!!!

The other is a 10 year old Jet JTAS-10. http://raleigh.craigslist.org/tls/2891585065.html

I have issues with both and that is why I need your help. I really like the Jet and think it could be the last saw I buy but I think it is right tilt. Just thinking about the way I work makes me think it could be more dangerous. Any input on that would be appreciated. The Ridgid may fall into the build dates that were recalled. If so can it still be repaired?

Thanks – Darren


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Bill White

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#1 posted 893 days ago

Lefty, righty….whatever you learned on. I never even think about it.
Sounds to me that the Ridgid with all the goodies is a better deal.
Bill

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knotscott

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#2 posted 893 days ago

The Jet is definitely right tilt, but if that’s the 3hp Xacta cabinet saw, it’s in an entirely different league than the R4511. The price on both seems fair to me. The Ridgid will have a true riving knife, but the Jet has more substantial underpinnings, a better fence, more rip capacity, and a stronger motor….note that it will require 220v operation if it’s 2hp or more. My guess is that the Jet won’t stick around long.

While I prefer left tilt saws, I’m not sure I’d pass up a good deal on a right tilt saw. You can always slide the fence to the left of the blade on bevel cuts to achieve the same scenario of a left tilt during bevel cuts.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Brandon

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#3 posted 893 days ago

Given all the goodies that come with the Rigid, I think it’s still a good deal. I paid $280 for my R4511 used and the previous owner had bought it new for $250 six months earlier. Alas!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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cdhilburn

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#4 posted 893 days ago

I just spoke with the owner of the R4511 and he said the recall was repaired a few months after he purchased it so that is a big plus. He said that the router table extension was from Woodhaven. He said he never installed it but is including it anyway. I can’t find any pictures of the Woodhaven router table extensions installed. I may be overpaying a bit but with the combination of so few decent saws available in my market, good LJ reviews on this saw, router table and the fact that he is good with me waiting a week plus to go and get it I am going to pull the trigger. Now….if I can just get rid of my 21833!!!

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a1Jim

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#5 posted 893 days ago

The jet is a much better saw even though I usually suggest the Ridgid for folks who have a limited budget. If I remember right that’s a 220 volt saw and should give you more power. I think I would check the fence out and see how well it locks,it seems some I’ve used in the past where not great fences but I may be confusing this jet with another jet model.If the fence is bad all bets are off for the jet IMO, Given the photo it looks like the Jet owner doesn’t look like he has much of a shop so I’m guessing the saw hasn’t gotten much use.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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jerkylips

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#6 posted 893 days ago

if it’s a deciding factor, I believe the Ridgid can be wired for 220 as well…

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cdhilburn

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#7 posted 893 days ago

Jim – When I first saw the Jet I was really excited. But the more I looked at it I started to realize it was right tilt. I have had a couple of close calls on table saws and from what I have read the right tilt saws can add an additional element of danger. I am going to go with the Ridgid. With the small stuff that I do a more powerful saw is not necessary, at least at this point. Maybe bigger projects down the road will need more power but I could always covert it to 220 as a next step. Another plus for the Ridgid is the granite top. I live 2 miles from the coast and there is a lot of salt in the air. Things inside my shop rust quickly if I am not careful. The granite is one less thing that I have to worry about. You have me thinking hard about the Jet though…

Jerkylips – Thanks for the info about the 220. It is good to know there is a little more power available if needed.

In a nutshell I have committed to the Ridgid with plans to pick up on the 17th. Posed my 21833 on CL and am getting $300 when it is picked up tomorrow. A friend is buying my HF 14” bandsaw (I am keepng the 14” Dela for myself) so I will be out $0 cash to get the R4511. Shoot I will be money ahead. Especially if the router table extension works out…then I can sale my Craftsman router table (the good one) and be way ahead. The right-tilt on the Jet has me concerned and I really want my next saw to be one I can be comfortable with for awhile!!!! Thanks for all the help!!!!

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a1Jim

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#8 posted 893 days ago

I hope it works out well for you Darren and you enjoy your new saw.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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wee3

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#9 posted 893 days ago

Ridgid are suppose to be descent.i know the frustration with cman saws.front to back,the best i can adjust it,is within 1/32,which bugs me even for framing work.@i got alot of time,foolin on that issue,let me say.good luck.

-- BiLL @wee3

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NiteWalker

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#10 posted 892 days ago

Congrats on the new saw, but what makes the cman saws so hard to align?
If the trunion bolt holes are too small you could always file them a bit bigger.
Just curious.

-- He who dies with the most tools... dies with the emptiest wallet.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 892 days ago

wee3 – You are aware that the Ridgid R4512 and the Cman 21833 are basically the same saw from the same manufacturer? (Cman has/had a lot of different model saws that are very different from each other, so you can’t really lump them all together with any credibility….)

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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Bob42

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#12 posted 892 days ago

I have the same Jet saw but it’s left tilt. The saw is awesome and will handle all your future needs. True you have to be comfortable with it but with practice you will get use to it. but if you have already gone to the Ridgid it’s still a good saw. you can always upgrade again if you need to. good luck with it.

-- Bob K. East Northport, NY

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cdhilburn

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#13 posted 892 days ago

Nite…..The issue with the 21833 is that the blade shifts when raising it and lowering it so that you are only in alignment at one particular height. I have read alot about it here on LJ and I haven’t seen a fix yet. I learned the hard way after trying changing the bolts and then trying PALS. I wasn’t smart enought to try it at different heights then. The 21833 is sold now but when changing blade heights a shift of 0.005” or more was not uncommon. That is probably okay for some but I want better. If you look up the reviews and comments on the 21833 you can see where it is a common problem, maybe even a machining defect. I read elsewhere that it could be because the tension of the belt moves it because the blade lift mechanism and bracing is not beefy enough.

Knot…you are right in that the 4512 and 21833 are basically the same saw. That is why I have been looking at the 4511 or a lower end cabinet saw. The 4511 gets really good reviews (for the money) and has cabinet mounted trunnions. The word that I keep reading when looing at the 4511 is accurate. The granite top is a bonus that I only recently thought of after cleaning my 21833 top. And for the record…I personally don’t have a problem with Craftsman. I actually really like the 21833 and think the fence is killer for the price point. If I could have resolved my issues I likely would have kept the saw for a VERY long time.

Bob…..I really would like a saw that is the quality of the Jet. It may be too late to purchase it though. In articles I have read and commentary that I have read here on LJ – the right-tilt scares me. At this point I want to make sure I get something that I want and not end up with something I am uncomfortable with. Another thing is the size of the table in the Jet. That is a plus for most but my shop is small and it may be overkill for what I can acutally use.

Thanks for all the information!!!! Bob’s has me thinking again but I think for me personally and my history of doing dumb things to hurt myself it may be safer to go with what I know!!! Left tilt!!!

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cdhilburn

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#14 posted 892 days ago

Or do you think this is better? This would only fit the budget if the seller moved the price quite a bit. I think its overpriced anyway.

http://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/tls/2894935111.html

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a1Jim

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#15 posted 892 days ago

Darren I know you have made up your mind but right tilt is only a problem when cut angles and many times it can be overcome by cutting on the left side of the blade. I think your right to go with what saw you think suites you best.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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