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436 days ago |
”Human beings find mechanical perfection profoundly dispiriting we look at this absolutely perfect made by a robot creation and feel inadequate. I would love to experience something made by a human being attempting to be as good as they can be but knowing that they going to fail in the pursuit of perfection.” This was sent to me by David Savage on an e mail relating how he wanted to leave an imperfect surface top. The quoted paragraph was the response from the client. Although he is lucky to have such a client, I have to admit I am one of those that some times does not see the wood for the trees. I obsess over a small details many times, but then where do we draw the line? When is it good enough to be presented to a client? How do you deal with being your own worst critic? Specially when you are dealing with a new technique or design. I took inspiration from Aviad (a LJ member) to design a guest bathroom (what we call here half bathroom, just sink and potty) and let me tell you just figuring out the angles for the cuts is giving me nightmares…..literally, I lay awake till 3 in the morning thinking about this…. -- Just because you’ve always done it that way doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly stupid. |
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#1 posted 436 days ago |
A fascinating topic, current, and it always will be. Just some random thoughts: “achingly perfect” as in opposition to “achingly beautiful.” One of my two early mentors said, in this discussion, “Sometimes you just have to push it out the door.” I took that to mean, one obsessively attended to spot can lead to another and the discipline of consistency (a good thing, generally) can lead you down a long winding road that has no bearing whatsoever on the Total Receipts column for that month. A woodworker/artist of some accomplishment made a beautiful piece (over 20 years ago I think), a china hutch or something like that, walnut, and then pounded a rusty nail in the side and bent it over. It was the ignition point for some wonderful dialog. Published in Fine Woodworking. I cannot find it or recall his name, but if we can locate that, it will be an interesting addition to this discussion. On my morning walks I often pass by an office building, new, which is on the fringe of a residential section so it was designed and built house-like. It is so symmetrical that the doorknob makes it look unbalanced. I find I tense up when I look at it. It is perfection, and I find it disturbing. (This thought is more about design than execution. Sorry for getting a little sideways.) On we go… Kindly, Lee -- "...in his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It" |
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#2 posted 436 days ago |
I remember a line from the movie “Roadie” by Meatloaf, “Everything works if you let it!” As dumb as that sounds, it’s true. Sometimes we over-analize the problem and make it worse. If I’m having problems with a project, I have found that the best thing for me is to walk away from it and do something else. Sometimes the solution to the problem just comes to me. It’s usually a lot simpler than I had previously made it out to be. I enjoy woodworking and letting details get the best of me takes the fun out of it. Keep it simple and let it work. -- Every day above ground is a good day!!! |
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#3 posted 436 days ago |
“and let me tell you just figuring out the angles for the cuts is giving me nightmares…..literally, I lay awake till 3 in the morning thinking about this….” - Ha-ha. Count me in. I sand and finish every part of furniture piece to the same standard, regardless whether it is table top or inside the cabinet behind the drawer. |
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#4 posted 436 days ago |
I can hardly say that I am “Guilty of the Perfection Syndrome” but I would definitely say that I am “Proud of my Perfection Syndrome”. We all have our definitions and levels of perfection and what I might consider to be the best that I can possibly do might look like poor work to others. -- Every step of any project should be considered your masterpiece if you want the finished product to reflect the quality of your work. http://www.FineArtBoxes.com |
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#5 posted 436 days ago |
My goals and aspirations, for my woodworking, are about 50-80% higher than my realistic capacity to achieve them. At least for now. It has been said that “Stress … is when reality fails to meet expectations.” I’m working hard to take some of THAT kind of stress … out of my woodworking. And … I think I made one fatal error: I got tools good enough that I can’t rationally blame THEM, anymore ;-) -- -- Neil |
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#6 posted 436 days ago |
I also over do and over think just about everything I do. The killer part of it is that I am still trying to make that one thing that is perfect. I have my doubts that I ever will but I will keep trying. -- We the willing. http://www.woodanddreams.com |
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#7 posted 436 days ago |
It has been observed I have an anal retentive attitude about perfection in woodworking – - – and I accept that. -- *Arachnoleptic*: The frantic dance performed just after you've accidently walked through a spider web. |
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#8 posted 436 days ago |
I wonder if this also relates to becoming more capable. Remember back when you were first starting how good it felt when you made your first perfect hand cut dovetails, or how a projects just came together perfectly and you thought, now I am starting to get the hang of this. After a while this becomes routine and it seems no longer satisfying and then I start looking for things to obsess over. I had a friend who once told me, “It seems that we do thing better when we start than now that we know”...maybe not better but certainly with more joy. I am rambling here, but it seems that for me to get back on the groove I need to keep raising the bar and trying to come up with more difficult projects…..when does it end? -- Just because you’ve always done it that way doesn’t mean it’s not incredibly stupid. |
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#9 posted 436 days ago |
When you feel something is really bad, step away from it, then come back and look at it after you’ve gotten over your frustration, either it will be ok, or you will need to figure out how to fix it. I see down to pours in the wood grain, just the way my eyes work, I’ve had people across a 6×8 work bench ask me if their piece was sanded enough, looked down at it, saw the sanding marks and replied “no”, their reply, how can you tell, I then break out a pencil and circle the bad spots for them so they know where they need to concentrate. It was messed up admittedly, but true story, By the end of it I had 3 people asking me if I could see any flaws, occaisionally I wouldn’t spot on, but “shrugs” no one’s perfect. All of that to say, I see flaws more clearly than everyone else probably does, and what I see others may never ever see looking at it directly, Sometimes you have to just let it go. Though now that I work for myself, I make sure all my customers understand look, I’ll give you a time estimate, but if something takes me longer to do right, then that’s the way I will be doing it, and it may take longer, but it will be right when I’m done. In summation, it’s a balance of knowing what you can, and can’t let go. -- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them. |
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#10 posted 436 days ago |
”I see down to pours in the wood grain, just the way my eyes work,” Whereas, I’m lucky if I can even see my way down the stairs, to my shop. I guess you and me have both ends of THAT spectrum covered, huh ? ;-) -- -- Neil |
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#11 posted 436 days ago |
As the guru Charles Neil says, “If it looks good enough, it IS good enough”. I’m not arguing with him after seeing his work. -- bill@magraphics.us |
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#12 posted 436 days ago |
Building electric solidbody guitars and selling them, I build something that is almost always very close to people’s eyes when they use it. That being said, some things I do by hand, and I make it a point to tell people so. When I inlay a pickguard, about 40 inches of carving has to happen to hold the pickguard in a 3MM deep shoulder. Not all of it is going to be dead straight perfect, and people know it because I carve it out by hand. On the other hand, those six strings had better be dead nuts down the middle, and a ton of other geometric items have to be dead on. As far as finishes, a polished finish that is smooth and shiny to any hand is good for me. Some of my exotic woods have natural burls and other imperfections in them, so they pass. Sales guys always want it out the door as soon as possible. -- Paul, Tennessee, http://www.tsunamiguitars.com |
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#13 posted 436 days ago |
You can obsess over something until every little detail is perfect, even the ones that the customer will never see or care about. However, as business people, time is money. So you have to make a decision as when it is done. There is a point where you start to spend so much time that you are not making the hourly income level that you need. And the biggest question is: Does the customer care? If the customer doesn’t care about dove-tailed drawer sides, why take the extra time? In that time spent doing the dove-tails, you could be onto another project or make another sale in that time. -- Jim Beachler, Chief Puzzler, http://www.hollowwoodworks.com |
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#14 posted 436 days ago |
Are you guilty of the perfection syndrome? Nope. -- Improvise.... Adapt...... Overcome! |
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#15 posted 436 days ago |
Are you kidding. If I wanted technically perfect, mass produced boredom, I would go to Walmart for my home furnishings… I want character, charm, warmth. Something a machine can not do… -- Manufacturer of fine quality sawdust since 1984. Comments and advice on my shop welcome. Check it out at http://lumberjocks.com/dbhost/workshop. Gladly accepting shop build donations! |
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