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470 days ago |
Hey all, let me preface by saying I don’t know anything and I mean anything about electricity and how it’s run. I have talked to my grandfather who knows quite a bit so I am trying to understand the little bit that he has told me. I checked the breaker box in the shop I’m currently using. It’s a basement shop but it’s not mine so I can’t go changing things around. Anyhow there were no open spots for breakers. There was one breaker wired for 220 though and that was labeled drier. The drier in the basement isn’t too far from where I keep my tablesaw but it’s also not too close. About 20 feet. My question is, is it possible to run a 220 v tablesaw off of that outlet if the drier isn’t running? And if so how would I get the wire to extend over to the outlet? Extension cord? I know this is not the ideal setup but it may be the only setup and I really want to buy a cabinet saw instead of a weaker contractor but I don’t have 220 available except if that is an option. Thanks in advance. Oh and please go easy on me when your explaining things because otherwise I probably won’t understand. |
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#1 posted 470 days ago |
Yes it will run it.
NO it is NOT a good idea. The reason it is NOT a good idea, the Dryer breaker is 30 amp, your saw will likely only need 20 AMP. IF something were to go wrong the Saw Motor would be ruined before the braker would trip ! -- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !" |
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#2 posted 470 days ago |
The drier is going to be used I just thought it might be an option to use the saw when the drier isn’t on and like I said I can’t change anything around as it isn’t my house, everything needs to stay as is. That was my only chance of getting 220 in the shop. |
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#3 posted 470 days ago |
I wouldn’t, brother. You’ll get all kinds of contradictory information here, all with the best intentions. Just call an electrician. If you’ve got enough juice going to the subpanel (I’m guessing that’s what you’re looking at), he can install a new subpanel and the proper outlet to match your machine. I’m no sparky but I had mine upgraded within the year. They had to trench a new cable out to my shop, add a new subpanel, new outlets, etc., etc. and it was still only a few hundred bucks. Probably cheaper than a new motor for your saw. Definitely cheaper than the worrying you’ll do if you don’t. Good luck! -- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog |
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#4 posted 470 days ago |
I wouldn’t be afraid myself of exploring using the drier Check the drier plug, breakers, the drier info panel and |
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#5 posted 470 days ago |
A good electrician would have the final word here but I have to chime in. The breaker is to protect the branch circuit wiring from shorts and NOT the saw motor. A cabinet saw has a starter/overload for protecting the motor. With that being said, if it was me, I would make a #10/2 with ground SJOW extension cord to run to the saw. -- Ray - Spokane, WA - “Most people don’t recognize opportunity because it’s usually disguised as hard work.” - Unknown |
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#6 posted 470 days ago |
Like Bertha said, you will get all kinds of contradictory advise here, but, oh well, here goes. -- Michael :-{| Diapers and politicians both need to be changed often; and for the same reason. |
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#7 posted 470 days ago |
I have to disagree with canadian chips. You do not have to have a breaker rated to the min. draw on a circuit. You can run a heavy extension cord, a 3 hp saw draws about 17 amps. rkober is on track, make yourself a nice heavy cord, you will be fine. 10/2 w/gr. The Electrician may wish to install a more suitable receptacle, you do not have to unplug the dryer and replug the saw after every wash day. And the dryer plug is way overkill for the load you have. Go with what the electrician says. -- Dan V. in Indy |
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#8 posted 470 days ago |
Glad I saw this thread! I just checked, and the motor on my coffee grinder is rated at .75 amps, but it’s plugged into an outlet on my 20 amp kitchen circuit! Jeepers! Better have an electrician come wire me up a new circuit with a .75 amp breaker! :) -- http://www.peteroxley.com -- http://north40studios.etsy.com -- |
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#9 posted 470 days ago |
Danpaddles: The second receptacle is bad advice because…....if given the chance SOMEONE that doesn’t know WILL run BOTH saw and dryer at same time. (Nice helpful neighbor ladies dryer broke, you let her use yours, your in your shop. POOF !Why do we smell smoke ) -- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !" |
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#10 posted 470 days ago |
I don’t see anyting wrong with using a #10 SO cord properly made up with ground condutor. -- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence |
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#11 posted 470 days ago |
I should have said the saw should have a motor starter with overload protection or the motor may have it internally. Lots of motor circuits require a breaker or fuses a size or 2 too big for the wiring to handle the inrush current when the motor starts. -- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence |
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#12 posted 470 days ago |
+1 on using #10 cord grounded. the 30Amp breaker in the panel is not there to protect your motor , but to protect the wiring inside the walls and prevent fire. as long as the breaker supports the load of the motor (12amp 220v?) you should be OK, for that matter, running a 12amp (arbitrary number) on a 20amp breaker, or a 30amp breaker will not make any difference protecting your motor. the motor itself (single phase) most likely has it’s own breaker and reset switch to protect itself. Just don’t micky mouse with the extension cable and make a proper one – or get someone knowledgeable to make it for you. -- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route. |
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#13 posted 470 days ago |
Get an electrician. Ever seen an over-cooked hot dog? -- bill@magraphics.us |
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#14 posted 470 days ago |
I should probably add that you need to look at the name plate on the motor to see what the FLA (full load amps) says. If it is over 24, you are getting into marginal territory for running on the dryer circuit. Even that high may have problems with the starting inrush current, but being a saw starting under no load, it will probably work. -- "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence |
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#15 posted 470 days ago |
Nothing wrong with using it. Unless my understanding is totally wrong by people that have helped me in the past with electrical, the comment above about the circuit being 30amp has nothing to do with being able to break your saw if it requires at LEAST 20amp. The breaker size of 30amp is to stop the wire from overheating and causing a fire (which is why it’s important to use the proper gauge wire depending on the amperage). well, it’s also to provide the said 30amps Just make sure to make your extension cable (or buy one pre-made) that is 10 gauge, you should be good. If the above about a 30amp breaker breaking a saw that required at least 20amp, then why don’t all of your household devices that plug into 15amp breakers fry if they use below 15amp? Just remember, make sure to use the right gauge of cable; the breaker rating depends on that when to know to flip before the wire causes a fire. -- Ev in Framingham, MA |
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