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03-01-2012 09:08 AM

While watching a repeat of the TV show “This old House” the other evening on TV, I was watching one of the contractors scribe and fit a baseboard to a kitchen standalone island. While conducting this application I noticed the contractor, Patrick Malone, had a thumb missing. After scribing the line along the base with a pencil and compass, he took the 2 ft long lenght of baseboard to a bench top table saw with no guard, then pushed it through free hand, (No push stick) following the pencil line with the blade.

I was about to leap behind the couch fearing the iminent horror about to ensue, but thankfully he made the cut without mishap. I was amazed however that he had only lost the one digit during his career????

What is your take on this kind of practice, particularly in light of the guy who won a squillion bucks payout in a fairly recent lawsuit undertaking a simialr move.

David

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#1 posted 03-01-2012 09:52 AM

He’s fine not using a push stick or guard now that he doesn’t have that big thumb of his in the way of things :)

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#2 posted 03-01-2012 11:20 AM

When building log homes. I worked with a guy that pushed 1×3/4 strips through the tablesaw with his finger tips. The rip fence in place so figure how close his fingers was to the blade. He also kept the guard on a 12” Dewalt miter saw wedged up out of the way. Worked good till i was sawing a board that pinched and kicked up in my face. I finally told him my saws and keep your fingers and wedge out of them.

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#3 posted 03-01-2012 11:32 AM

The thought torments me!

-- No one plans to fail, they just, just fail to plan

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#4 posted 03-01-2012 11:38 AM

The ignorant can be taught but there is no cure for stupid!

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#5 posted 03-01-2012 11:52 AM

Saddle – It wasn’t as if he was a youngster, looked like he had been around the block a bit so should have known better. The subtle hint is that he had already lost one finger, perhaps he thought if it had happened once it wouldn’t happen again?

-- No one plans to fail, they just, just fail to plan

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#6 posted 03-01-2012 12:00 PM

When doing wood flooring I always make cuts without a fence.
Walls are not perfectly straight and you need to keep your cuts close to the wall.
rip your cut half way thru pull it up out of the blade then repeat the other half waste does not get caught against fence it just falls to the side. If you pay attention you wont lose any digits. Maybe he lost his finger by slamming it in a car door. :)

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#7 posted 03-01-2012 12:09 PM

Rather you than me dbol – maybe I’m just chicken?

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#8 posted 03-01-2012 01:46 PM

While I have never made cuts on my table saw without a fence I don’t use a gaurd on my table saw or use a pushstick on anything bigger that 1 1/2in although I probably should since I have cut 1 thumb and a middlefinger off of my left hand. Lucky they both got put back on with little loss of function. I guess my biggest issue with the gaurds and pushsticks is I don’t feel like i am in control of the material while I making the cut. So I guess my point is some of us will compromise safety to an extent for comfort or speed. I try to always be aware of what will happen with any cutting process. Accidents will always happen with you are to comfortable with the process and you don’t respect the Tools you are using.

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#9 posted 03-01-2012 01:53 PM

Little known fact:
The carpenter Patrick Malone was born with seven fingers on each hand.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#10 posted 03-01-2012 02:23 PM

It seems there is—once again—a delicate balance in this world, David.

In my shop, I’m ALL thumbs ;-)

-- -- Neil

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#11 posted 03-01-2012 02:29 PM

I’m gonna be SLAPPED BIG TIME when I say this. Cutting that baseboard freehand was not that big of a deal. WHY:
Cutting small irregular shapes on a table saw with the fence set wrong is just as dangerous. The fence will bind the material between the blade and fence and cause the kickback . When “freehanding” make sure you have the piece held firmly front and back, (push sticks ) not just pushing and letting the board travel through the blade.
Push the board entirely PAST the blade just as you should do when using a fence.
QUESTION: When you cut apiece with a hand skil saw do you use a fence or do you freehand along the line you have drawn.? (If a fence was needed most framers would still be building the first house they started !)
I am NOT saying it is SAFE TO DO for EVERYONE, I am saying this is when experience using and knowing how tools react is helpful.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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bluekingfisher

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#12 posted 03-01-2012 03:15 PM

Maybe that’s it then, born with too many fingers and thumbs on each hand, and, as a kid was bullied at school because of it, so old Patrick aspired to be a Carpenter, so he could conduct his own on the job amputations.

I got it wrong and I apologise for naming and shaming Patrick -;(

D

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#13 posted 03-01-2012 03:23 PM

Your in for it now Chips…

It’s not a cut I would make….

It’s not a cut I would want someone in one of our shops at work to make, as we’re really pushing to lower our workers comp insurance premiums.

What Patrick Malone does is his business …..untill the hospital, insurance company and gub’ment require me to indirectly pay his medical bill :^(

Sounds like This Old House missed an opportunity to have a candid conversation about TS safety with their viewers.

-- Pine is fine, but Oak's no joke!

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#14 posted 03-01-2012 04:23 PM

ssnvet: I appreciate your concern. I do understand why you CANNOT ask someone in your shop to make that type of cut. I do emphase “knowing your tools”
I wouldn’t ask someone elseto make a risky cut, I would feel better if I did it myself. Life is about taking risks !
I watch a LOT of TV , diy shows, over the years a lot methods have changed. A local TV personality came to our city for the GRAND OPENING of a big box store. HE admitted that they have edited certain parts of the program NOW because of people TRYING to do things that they saw on TV and were not safe.
I am quite clear: I do NOT think SAFETY is a joke, it is serious stuff.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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#15 posted 03-01-2012 04:46 PM

TABLE SAWS TAKE NO PRISONERS! Fingers and thumbs yes. Maybe an occasional eye as well. I’m sure that many “professionals” have had their “mishaps” with power tools. You cannot stress safety enough with rotating machinery with sharp edges. Hell, how many fingers/thumbs have been mashed with a 20 oz Estwing?

-- OK, who's the wise guy that shrunk the plywood?

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