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Forum topic by richgreer posted 02-23-2012 04:33 PM 1994 views 0 times favorited 40 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-23-2012 04:33 PM

Whenever I am cranking my TS to tilt my blade from 90 degrees to 45 degrees I remember the days when we used to raise and lower the windows in our cars and trucks by cranking on a handle. I have not even seen a window crank in many years. Ever car or truck I drive or ride in has power windows.

So I ask myself – - Why can’t we get a power crank on our TS tilt mechanism? I wonder the same thing when I am raising or lowering the table on my drill press. A third (perhaps less important) application could be applying tension on our bandsaws.

I know it would cost a little more but I think I would be willing to pay it.

I know that a power router lift is available from MLCS. Frankly, I don’t see that as a big need. I would much rather have a power system for the TS tilt mechanism and my drill press table lift mechanism.

Are any tool manufacturers reading this?

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#1 posted 02-23-2012 04:41 PM

I’d be interested too, Rich! But only if there was an accompanying digital readout, indicating exact tilt and blade height. Same with the fence, I’d like to see a fence system where the fence rides on acme screws in front and in back of the table, again with a digital readout indicating exact distance to the blade.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#2 posted 02-23-2012 04:54 PM

Maybe we could ask the government to include than with the sawstop feature … :-) .

Sounds good to me my up and down crank is easy , but the angle crank takes forever.

-- Paul , Calfornia

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#3 posted 02-23-2012 04:56 PM

I agree with everything except throw in a manual micro adjuster, motors are not all that easy to stop right at the spot you want it to be at.

-- If you can't fix it with a hammer, You've got an electrical problem.

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#4 posted 02-23-2012 05:06 PM

The reason cars have power windows is because you often need to operate them while driving with minimum distraction. When you cranking your saw there is less need for it, you have your full attention and can’t do anything else at the moment anyway.
Just having power crank on saw is not enough. You need feedback circuitry to be able to stop it at precise angle or height (try to set your power window at exactly 32 mm). This complicates the mechanism significantly and also requires precise step motors. Hence the option is only available on high end panel saws.

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#5 posted 02-23-2012 05:07 PM

Didn’t Sears do something like a power tilt for a band saw, some time back?

I’d love a power lift for my DP, I just leave the table a little low, then block up my work, often as not.

-- Dan V. in Indy

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#6 posted 02-23-2012 05:17 PM

Sounds like just another switch to go bad and leave ya stranded to me.

-- Building quality in a throw away world.

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#7 posted 02-23-2012 05:17 PM

This would be great Rich. Just think a power fence would be nice too…LOL. Heck, I have CB radio on my table saw with a coon tail on the antenna :-)

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#8 posted 02-23-2012 05:24 PM

And I would like to have my own personal woodworker too. Then I wouldn’t have to… er… uh… oh wait a minute… that would then mean that… oh never mind… oops…


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#9 posted 02-23-2012 05:26 PM

It won’t be long until nobody has any muscle tonne left ;-))

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#10 posted 02-23-2012 05:32 PM

I like power tools, but I don’t want to give up using my hands in tandem with them. The idea of a push button table saw with power feed is the province of a millwork place, not one where listening to the cut and adjusting the rate of feed when there’s a knot in the road is part of the human contribution to the end product.

I further enjoy exercising the intuitive side by guessing halfway points, estimating screw layout, and grabbing a handful of screws or dowels for a process and find that I’m within one or two of exact.

These are things that remind me I’m alive and at the right place at the right time, much as the moment my 4 year old grandson got in my 1992 truck for the first time, pointed at the window crank, and said, “What’s that, grampa?”



-- " his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#11 posted 02-23-2012 05:41 PM

Day dreams of wood workers. More hp, larger shop, more power, better light, bigger capacity, personal wood working apprentice(like at tatoo joints), more storage, more wood. And of course more time.

I like the idea of power lifts on table saws. CNC stepper motors can position to within thousands of inch.

This might be a project for SPalm, he’s built a CNC machine. A motor on a table saw he should be able to figure out in his sleep

-- If you believe you can or can not do a thing, you are correct.

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#12 posted 02-23-2012 05:44 PM

Reminds me of an old sager and evans song

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#13 posted 02-23-2012 05:46 PM

Rich, there are retro-fit cnc drives for overhead mills that are bolt on and could easily be adapted to the TS.

It might be cool to dial in the blade height and tilt angle via touch screen. All I’d need then is a start button to actually perform the cuts for me…. uh, wait… that’s what a CNC router does. Check that. (I knew there was a reason I keep renting time on that big machine.)

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#14 posted 02-23-2012 05:59 PM

My crappy Hewlett/Packard printer scanner has precision motors that stop exactly whever it is told to , and it was given to me by the dealer when I bought my new computer. That electo-mechanical stuff cannot be expensive. And what the hey, power tools is power tools, if you’re going to use them!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#15 posted 02-23-2012 07:09 PM

Poppie, they sell those printers for $29 and the replacement ink cartridges for $59. You think maybe the printer is the loss leader in this case? (marketing lingo for bait and switch)

In any case, the little stepper motors that drive the print head are certainly accurate, but they are not powerful enough to raise DP tables or TS arbors.

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