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Forum topic by AaronK posted 02-23-2012 01:40 AM 1602 views 0 times favorited 25 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-23-2012 01:40 AM

biking home from work, two guys around a portable table saw, one in front, one in the back. Looks like they were ripping some long molding or something – basically a long piece about 10’ long. maybe one feeding and one catching it.

blade raised all the way up. no guard. no fence.

what is the right response (i drove away quickly)?


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#1 posted 02-23-2012 01:56 AM

Europeans put blade up as high as it will go and yes people will/might not agree but it lessons the odds of a kickback. As for no guard, or splitter……..in most cases thats foolish

I think you made the right choice

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#2 posted 02-23-2012 02:00 AM

That would depend on the situation. If this is a worksite and this is something the guys have done many times, I seriously doubt they would be interested in anything you had to say.

If this was a homeowner who borrowed or rented a saw and never used one, they might be a bit more receptive if you told them you are a regular TS user and would like to give them some help in how to use it. Of course, it would be very hard to know in advance what type of group these guys fall in to.

But my own experience in trying to tell someone something about their health or safety is that it is almost always a waste of effort. Unless you catch someone when they are just learning how to do something, I find that they have their own idea of how things work, what is safe and how things are done, and trying to tell them they are wrong just makes them angry.

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#3 posted 02-23-2012 02:06 AM

i can see how if you are using a fence and guard a high blade could decrease chance of kickback (that’s what I tend to do myself), but not without them on a 10’ long piece of work.

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#4 posted 02-23-2012 02:06 AM

i think these guys were hired guns/goons

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#5 posted 02-23-2012 02:07 AM

That doesn’t sound too unsafe to me. It’s just a push pull operation, and with the blade raised all the way up you don’t have to worry about the work just floating on top of the blade because of the downward pulling motion of the front of the blade. Just don’t get really close, and they don’t have to due to the 10’ lengths. I’d do that for sure. Oh wait… there’s no fence….. never mind… That’s dumb :)

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#6 posted 02-23-2012 02:08 AM

I agree with Lifesaver: I would be tempted to stop but ultimately they probably wouldn’t be interested in what you had to say anyways. People pay me for medical advice, but they rarely are interested or follow what I have to say.

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#7 posted 02-23-2012 02:27 AM

More than likely they would not have listened to you. The only reason people at my job listen to me when I try to give them safety tips is because I am the company Risk & Safety Director and they have no choice. LOL If they have been doing it unsafely like this for a while, the only way they will change, is if one of them gets hurt. (Hopefully they will be lucky and not have an accident though)

-- I GIVE UP!!!! I've cut this @!&*!% board 3 times.... its still too short!

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#8 posted 02-23-2012 03:12 AM

Call 911. They’re gonna need them.

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rance

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#9 posted 02-23-2012 03:22 AM

Only problem I see is no rip fence. I do small work and guards are more in the way and cause more problems than they solve. Life is about tradeoffs.

Wanna buy a blade guard? Cheap, never used. Not even by an old lady.

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#10 posted 02-23-2012 03:31 AM

a lawyer would have stopped and been ready to represent…..I shouldn’t say that because I am sure we have some decent lawyers on here….somewhere.

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gfadvm

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#11 posted 02-23-2012 03:42 AM

“decent lawyers”? That’s an oxymoron. Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself. No offense to the legal eagles.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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#12 posted 02-23-2012 03:51 AM

gfadvm: don’t call us, trust me, they wouldn’t listen to us either.

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#13 posted 02-23-2012 03:54 AM

While YOU were biking:
Were you wearing your helmet ?
Did your bike have a bell or horn ?
Did your bike have a headlight ?
Were you riding on the street or the sidewalk ?
Did your bike have the proper reflective markers ?
(In this stupid country you get fines IF you were not following the above regulations.)People are getting tickets after being HIT by motorist because of the above.
SADDLEY the guys cutting on the saw can do what they want .

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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canadianchips

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#14 posted 02-23-2012 04:06 AM

As far as “HEALTH and SAFETY”
STICK IT !
I got my fingers slapped today at work. My pallet load was too high, you can only stack it 6ft. My 3 barbeque boxes measured 74”The WAREHOUSE is too small as it is, now we need to stack more skids that are 1/2 full.
Our health and saftey committee seems to be the LAZIEST, ignorant people we have in the whole chain of stores.
I am like Rance. I have blade guards for SALE ! (I will not sell them to just anyone, I have to FIND them first !)

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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#15 posted 02-23-2012 04:12 AM

Not enough info. What you think you saw from the street may be different from the reality. Best advice from me is “Let the man who assumes the risk be educated to the risk”. Which means that those guys should have been trained for what they were doing. By the employer.

-- Random Orbital Nailer

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