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Forum topic by Philzoel posted 02-22-2012 01:10 AM 3429 views 0 times favorited 100 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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02-22-2012 01:10 AM

I just saw the hotdog test on the Saw-stop table saw. WOW!!!.... Makes me think. Is it worth it? It apparently works.
Do they require special blades that cost macho $? what do you think?. Is it true one finger every 6 minutes?

-- Phil Zoeller louisville, KY


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#1 posted 02-22-2012 01:29 AM

Is it worth it? I suppose that depends on how much value you place on your digits. It’s like an airbag in your car. You hope you’ll never need it, and you’d be glad of it if you did.

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#2 posted 02-22-2012 01:33 AM

renner do you have one? They cost about $1500 more than say a Jet of same quality.

-- Phil Zoeller louisville, KY

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#3 posted 02-22-2012 01:41 AM

I do not have a SS. They are not available in Ireland. I have read an awful lot about them on LJ’s though.
The Nanny State development makes it a bit of a contentious issue…
There’s hours and hours of reading material on here if you go to the search field.

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#4 posted 02-22-2012 01:57 AM

I bought mine about 6 weeks ago (Pro Cabinet 1.75) and so far its been nice Everything right on out of the box. You dont need special blades but there is a blade brake that is extra from most saws. Thats what keeps the pinkies safe LOL

-- Gary Vondermuehll

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#5 posted 02-22-2012 02:19 AM

This saw uses normal blades but if you trigger the devise it destroys the blade. In my book there’s not debate if you can afford one buy one. Some folks don’t like the owner of SS because he tried to make it mandatory to have his devise in all new table saws. I say forget about the owner of SS and think about your fingers and what it would cost for surgery to try and reattach a finger or two.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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#6 posted 02-22-2012 02:28 AM

I had a customer come buy some lumber from me to panel a room about a week and a half ago. Called back two days later and wanted some cherry to make a counter top, so we set up a time to meet the next day. That morning, his wife called and said that he was in the Medical Center. Cut his hand on the table saw. Cut it almost in half.

Well, for two or three days, that really bothered me. He was a nice guy, and it really hit hard close to home. I make a lot of furniture and I know how dangerous the table saw is. I thought, “How could I not afford a sawstop compared to the price of one lax moment? What is the use of your hand worth? Slept on it two nights, and then ordered the 1.75 HP sawstop. I will pick it up later this week. I figured that I won’t die a poor beggar because of it, and I have always been told that you cannot take money with you when you go to meet your Maker.

-- Danny Located in Perry, GA. Forester. Wood-Mizer LT15 Sawmill. Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln. hamsleyhardwood.com

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#7 posted 02-22-2012 02:39 AM

why not a chisel-stop or sandpaper-stop, just think, we could sue Norton abrasives… BTW, in case you couldn’t tell, put me in the ANTI sawcrap camp due to Gass’s predatory litigious practices…

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#8 posted 02-22-2012 02:56 AM

Again, just as a1Jim said… Don’t really care if the owner of SS tried to legislate it to be mandatory. People in the ER don’t hold lively discussions of legislation. They just say “Just put the #$%&?! finger back on!!” I bought a 3HP SS and am thankful for the security it provides. I don’t see it as “I might”...I see it as “when it does”. I’ll just pull my hand back with a small nick and go inside and have a cold beer and tell the wife with a shaky smile that I’m having fun in the shop.

-- I'd like to believe Murphy's Law haunts my woodshop, because if it's Karma it would mean I had something to do with it. - K.R.

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#9 posted 02-22-2012 04:13 AM

If I could afford it I would buy one in a heart beat. I am not about to risk cutting my hand or fingers just to make a stand about how bad the owner is by pushing his technology via legislation.

-- Yves

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#10 posted 02-22-2012 04:33 AM

Phil – ” They cost about $1500 more than say a Jet of same quality.”

Jet offers a table saw of the same quality? Are we talking contractor, cabinet, industrial?

I am with a1Jim and ocwoodworker on this. It was worth the money. I consider it insurance – not a license to be stupid.

It is your choice – for now, anyway.

I wonder how long this thread will go…

-- rick

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#11 posted 02-22-2012 04:45 AM

Dust collection is actually what interests me the most in the newer tablesaws. Since I’m very deliberate and careful on the tablesaw (and do the majority of my ripping on the bandsaw) I’m more likely to encounter dust-related health issues over the long term than lose a finger to the blade. From what I’ve seen, Sawstop does have a good dust shroud with a 4” port around the blade. So does the Powermatic but that costs the same as the Sawstop.

A quick look at Jet didn’t bring up any pictures of integrated dust shrouds. I may not have looked at the current model though.

-- See my work at http://remmertstudios.com and http://altaredesign.com

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#12 posted 02-22-2012 04:54 AM

I somewhat agree, but not totally. the owner as Jim said tried to make it mandatory on all saws, (he’s a Lawyer, big surprise, more money in his pocket the greedy SOB). Still that being said I think its a great idea, but I do not think it should be mandatory. In cases where there are cabinet shops and wood working facilities or an occupation that uses table saws, yes I would have it as mandatory, its insurance and should be the employers responsibility, but for the home user that just does this as hobby and cant afford $900 for a bench top table saw because it has saw stop installed, instead of $150-$250 for a saw without. Safety is a concern of mine as it should be for everybody, but to lobby to change the entire industry to make more money (which is his motivation, I don’t care what anyone says, that’s the truth), is uncalled for. You know the risks you are getting into it is your decision to decide not the Governments. I have a friend that cut off 4 fingers using a grinder he outfitted with a saw blade, JUST PLAIN STUPID, and he will be the first one to admit it, but he also told me he knew the risks, he knew it was wrong but he did it anyway, that was his decision was his freedom to choose to be an idiot. His finger were reattached after 16 hours of microsurgery and a team of 9 doctors and nurses, thankfully he has over 90% of use back in his hand.

Do I think its a great idea Yes, do I think someone else should be forcing me to take his view on what I need to be safe, HELL NO.

Well that’s my 2 cents, I have been woodworking for 25 years and I think of safety every time I step into my shop, thank god the worst that has ever happened to me in my workshop, was I spilled hot coffee in my lap, no ER required.

-- Martin ....always count the number of fingers you have before, and after using the saw.

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#13 posted 02-22-2012 04:59 AM

Phil, way to kick the hornet’s nest… I have a SS cabinet saw; yes, it was expensive, but it is excellent quality, safety features aside. I hear the argument often about the price of a SS, but honestly, how much does a new Powermatic TS cost? You can use any standard TS blade….as for is it worth it…I don’t know. I haven’t cut a finger off, but I’m sure that if I had cut one off, I wouldn’t be too keen to do it again.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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#14 posted 02-22-2012 05:02 AM

So, I just looked at the price on Woodcraft. The contractor version 1 3/4 Hp with a 30” fence. I added to that two cast iron wings (I hate stamped steel), the over the blade dust collection system, the dust panel, a dado brake, a forest blade. runs around $2100.0 or so. The cabinet version 1.75HP as well (they have a 3HP version 220v) is around $2300.00. Add to that the dust collection, a good blade and a dado brake and its about $2800.00 . Thats comparable with a nice powermatic. So, I do not see that outrageously more expensive. Its almost more cost effective to get the cabinet saw rather than the contractor.

Regarding how experienced and careful one is, an accident is always possible (slight distraction for a moment, a warped /defective piece of wood that was not recognized as such, plain bad luck, etc..). Tommy Mac Donald of rough cut has a video showing off his sawstop cabinet saw. He says on the video that he was not a believer until one day he cut his thumb and required 15 stitches. The next day he was at the store picking up a sawstop..

-- Yves

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#15 posted 02-22-2012 05:39 AM

Just for the record I don’t think folks should be forced into things they don’t want, but there is this thing called progress.
If there wasn’t progress things would not move forward ,we would drive cars that have mechanical brakes, we would have computers with less memory than a $1.00 calculator,we would not be woke up by smoke alarms when our house is on fire. Many of these things have been forced on us so to speak ,we can still drive cars with mechanical brakes but that means we have to drive a 1928 Model “A” , We can remove smoke alarms from our homes, We can try and use a TRS 80 with 4k memory but we could never get on line with it. Even if the inventor of SS only had profit in mind(and I’m not sure that’s all he had in mind) he still invented a great devise to save thousands of injuries and tons of pain. I believe at some point in time you won’t be able to buy a table saw without this devise or one like it unless you buy a old used saw.

-- http://artisticwoodstudio.com Custom furniture

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