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Kickback

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915 days ago

I have been reading a lot about hand planes and being as i have only some really crappy block planes I have been searching for some used planes to refurbish. Knowing that there are many hand plane connoisseurs here I thought I would ask you if these are a good deal or not. The first one doesn’t say whether it is a Bailey or not but it does look similar. The seller wants $25 for it and it will need to be completely refurbished which is no biggie for me. The second one is a Stanley Bailey #5 he thinks but he is not really sure. He said it is 14” long. He said he wanted $50 for that one so i am looking at $75 total for the two planes. Is this a fair amount of money for these two planes given they will need to be refurbed? I am really intrigued by everything I have read by the members here who love the hand planes and obviously they still have a place in a woodworking shop so I want to obtain a few and hopefully not get too addicted to planing and collecting planes.

This is the plane in the ad.

And here is a pic of the bigger planes clearly says Bailey on the toe

He also sent me a pic of this Stanley #82 handle I don’t know what this is?

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#1 posted 915 days ago

The #82 is a scraper, handy for cleaning glue joints of panels. The BaIley #5 seems like a frankenplane. The raised border on the bed, along with the knob on raised ring, are indicators of types much later than the plain lever cap. Either way, $50 is high. All three for $50 would be reasonable, but I know several lj’s that wouldn’t give even that much. Standing by now to see what others add to the discission…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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ShaneA

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#2 posted 915 days ago

I am with Smitty, the first loiks to be a defiance plane. $10 maybe, to me. The #5 is definitely a frankenplane. Lever cap and body are about 6-7 types apart. $25-30. No idea of value on the scraper. You can do better unless the 82 has significant value. Good luck.

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BigYin

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#3 posted 915 days ago

Small plane might be an “Acorn” made by Stanley and sometimes found with a named Stanley lever cap.
Ive seen black, blue, and orange ones.

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Lifesaver2000

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#4 posted 915 days ago

Since I just went on a shopping trip yesterday and saw a lot of used planes, I’ll chime in here a little. I bought a WWII era Bailey #4 yesterday for $15 + tax, and a Bedrock 605 (same size as that #5) for $12. Except for a piece broken from the handle, the 605 was in much better shape than that #5. Also, it looks like there is a weld repair visible on that #5 you picture, so I would probably stay away from it an any price.

Good restorable pre-1945 #4 or #5 planes are usually about $15 to $30 most places I see them.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#5 posted 915 days ago

An #82 without iron is $10, if you weren’t in the market for one. ;-)

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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#6 posted 915 days ago

Those red totes are definitely the sign of a (Stanley) Defiance plane, a,d the red stain is a real bitch to get out, too. Like Smitty and Shane said, that’s too high for the planes. Personally, the Bailey 5 plane is usable at a lower cost, but I wouldn’t invest in the first plane. The scraper is neat, but you’d have to find a blade for it.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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Brandon

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#7 posted 915 days ago

Don’t listen to lifesaver, he got abnormally good prices on his planes! :-)

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#8 posted 915 days ago

Lifesaver- far side of the mouth, inside, looks like a weld line to you? Good catch! Something to ask about…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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Brandon

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#9 posted 915 days ago

But he has a great eye! There’s a weld. Stay away!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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Kickback

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#10 posted 915 days ago

WOW….Thank you very much for all the sage advice. I did notice the weld repair myself and I emailed him back telling him I was going to hold off and wait for a plane that is original and in better condition. He said he would sell me the three of them for $100 man I am glad i asked you experts first. Planes and old hand tools in general are a weak point in my knowledge base so i will be keeping myself fully read up on this forum so i know what to do when I do find some nice planes.

-- "I work so I can fish"!

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Brandon

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#11 posted 915 days ago

Kickback, follow Ebay for a few days and try to see what planes are selling for. If you find yourself interested in a certain plane, just ask it here and there are dozens of people that can give you advice on it. Best wishes on finding one (or several)!

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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Kickback

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#12 posted 915 days ago

What I would like to acquire is a jointer plane as I think I would use it quite often. And then maybe a good all around general use plane if there is such an animal? Would the #5’s or Bedrocks be good general use planes for basic smoothing?

-- "I work so I can fish"!

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ShaneA

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#13 posted 915 days ago

Yeah, Lifesaver’s prices are atypical! He was out there stealing. : )

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Lifesaver2000

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#14 posted 915 days ago

Smitty, yes that is what I was seeing. I will revise what I said though, I would probably give a few bucks for that plane since I need a tote for the 605.

Brandon, I will admit I am cheap enough and patient enough that I only buy on the low end of that range, but I really have seen and lot of planes in that range. That doesn’t mean I haven’t seen quite a few higher priced planes, but they also sit forever and don’t sell. Right now I know where there is a 1946-47 #4 for $30 that could be put in use with just the blade sharpened, and an early 30’s #4 for 45 in even better shape. Of course, I did see a guy trying to get $50 for a type 18 in only fair shape, but I figure he will hold on to it for a while.

In my area, the #5 planes are generally cheaper than the #4. I own three nice #5 size planes now and never paid over $15 for one.

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Brandon

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#15 posted 915 days ago

The #5 is an excellent plane for your first one. Typically, you’ll want three—a jack plane (i.e., #5), a jointer (i.e. #7 or #8), and a smoother (#3 or #4). But the #5 is the one I use most and if I had to keep only one, that’d be it. Stanely Bedrock planes are a brand that come in most of the same sizes as the Stanley Baileys, they just have different numbers (605 instead of #5; 608 instead of #8 etc.)

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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