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Forum topic by TomHintz posted 925 days ago 2042 views 2 times favorited 40 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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TomHintz

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925 days ago

I posted a new story about kickbacks yesterday that shows a real table saw kickback. I had planned this out, knew what was about to happen but still very nearly got nailed. If I had not seen the footage myself (later) I would not have believed how my hand was sucked toward the blade. I did not actually contact the blade so there is no gore but the footage is very clear – it was VERY close!
In the last 13 hours or so I have gotten over 200 emails from people who were going to reinstall their riving knives or blade guards.

See the story and video

-- Tom Hintz, www.newwoodworker.com


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david_larch

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#1 posted 925 days ago

Wow, Thanks for showing. Always good to have a reminder.

-- www.alibiwoodworks.com

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thedude50

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#2 posted 925 days ago

Tom first I want to say I am very glad you survived this with your fingers intact you almost lost pointer there just to educate the masses . for several years we have been doing reviews on the same tools I am a tool evaluator for this old workshop.com and many times we come to similar conclusions and we do allot of the same things however I am going to pass on this one and go with your video Ill be damned if I am going to risk that kind of accident I wish you had been using a saw stop saw when you filmed that one my friend if you ever get a wild hair and decide to do it again please use a saw that stops the blade like a saw stop thanks for sharing the dude

-- when I am not on Lumberjocks I am on @ http://thisoldworkshop.com where we allow free speech

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TomHintz

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#3 posted 925 days ago

I am not at all sure that a SawStop would be that much of a help in a kickback. after seeing what I was able to capture on video I would love to see a Sawstop subjected to a similar test though obviously not using a human hand. Keep in mind that the entire slow motion clip is barly 1 second long in real time. I know the SawStop works well with slower contacts but would love to see how it can handle an event like this with all of the force and speed involved.
(Yes, it is 3am and I am up because I scared myself after seeing the video…..)

-- Tom Hintz, www.newwoodworker.com

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ShipWreck

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#4 posted 925 days ago

Geees Tom! I would hate to see what else you might do if you really got bored. (Just kidding of course)

Great video!

I had a simular type kickback a few years ago and you’re video was a great reminder. I was running the saw with no riving knife or pawls. I will never do that again!

Thank you for sharing this.

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Tyrone D

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#5 posted 925 days ago

Thanks for posting this.

My father does not understand the importance of being safe when using tools. I always get a bit uneasy when he’s using my tools. Hopefully this video will scare him into being as careful as me.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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Scot

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#6 posted 925 days ago

Earlier tonight I explained on another post the Alabama redneck way of doing things in 3 easy steps;

1) Drink lots of beer before starting
2) Just before you do start, yell, “HEY YA’LL, WATCH THIS” !
3) Call the paramedics

I can’t think that at least some part or all of this had to be echoing in your head before, during and certainly after doing this.

It certainly was going through my mind as I watched !

Glad you still have all your pickers !

-- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse.

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Scot

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#7 posted 925 days ago

After pondering this for a few minutes, I have to make a comment towards another safety issue I observed in this video.

The push blocks used in this video are not designed to be used on a table saw. As a matter of fact those push blocks were originally designed for use on a jointer.

Now i know I’m going to catch a load on this one, everyone is going to say they feel they have more control with those push blocks and there fore feel safer.

The bottom line is, with that type of push block your hands are much to close to the blade, if you do get a kick back you are actually increasing the chance of you hand getting into the blade.

When working at a table saw you should use a push HANDLE 8 to 10 inches long, this helps keep them pickers well away from the blade.

Just sayin’

-- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse.

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TomHintz

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#8 posted 925 days ago

First, I would never use a push stick. I think they are the most dangerous “safety” item on the market. I usually use a push handle that keeps my hand farther away from the blade. I actually tried to get the kickback using a push handle but could not turn the wood predictably.
Keep in mind that when I turned the wood into the blade I was actually pulling back on t he push block and using the back corner of the wood to pivot it into the blade. All of the muscle tension was away from the blade. I really had thought this out, as much as could be done before hand. the amount of “pull” when the kickback happened shocked me as much as anyone else. I fully expected to lose the push handle as my hand jerked back at me. Of course, that didn’t happen as I thought it would. Just the fingers wrapped around the handle was all that was needed to suck my handtowards the blade. If I hadn’t been able to see the video Iwouldd have never thought that it happened that way but it did.

-- Tom Hintz, www.newwoodworker.com

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Scot

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#9 posted 925 days ago

Sorry, wrong terminology, I stand corrected as well as my post.

-- If the old masters had power tools, they would have used them. So get off your damn High Horse.

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DIYaholic

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#10 posted 925 days ago

I just aquired a used TS (70’s C’man contractors saw 113.298030). Naturally the original owner doesn’t have the blade gaurd! SearsPartsDirect has the Gaurd, but NOT the mouning bracket! Your video convinces me NOT to use the saw untill the gaurd & bracket IS installed.

Thanks for being the IDIOT that you WERE!! Lol.

-- Randy-- I may not be good...but I am slow! If good things come to those who wait.... Why is procratination a bad thing?

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millzit

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#11 posted 925 days ago

the woodworking gods were watching over you on this one for sure…....

-- .......now cut that out!

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WinterSun

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#12 posted 925 days ago

Maybe I’ll finish installing the BORK on my saw now…!

-- Rory // Milwaukee, WI

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Bill White

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#13 posted 925 days ago

WAHHHHH! I knew what was comin’ and it STILL scared the crap outa me.
I hear all kinds of excuses about splitters, guards, riving knives, but all of you can bet that those for my saw a fully in stalled and adjusted at all times.
Thanks Tom.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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Tokolosi

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#14 posted 925 days ago

OK. Riving knife going back on the saw tonight! Took it off for some reason a while back and just never got around to putting it back. Thanks for the wake-up Tom.

-- “There is nothing like looking, if you want to find something. You certainly usually find something, if you look, but it is not always quite the something you were after.” ~ JRR Tolkien

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Dixon1430

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#15 posted 925 days ago

Thanks for posting this video. That is pretty crazy how close your fingers came to the blade. Makes me wonder how many other people would feel the same way you do now if they had a video of their close calls…

-- Ryan: "Everything is a hammer, except for a screwdriver and that's a chisel..."

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