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918 days ago

Last night Stephen Colbert had the Saw Stop guy on. They where talking about how the Safty gods (government) shouldn’t nurse the general public.

They showed the Demo with the Hot Dogs.

Also there was a guy who lost a part of his finger due to a table saw. He defenended the right to choose a saw that could save you or not.

They also talked about the statistics on table saw accidents. This one I find hard to believe. 40,000 table saw accidents? OK, this seems skewed to me. That would mean there are 110 a day. I really want to know how they came up with this number.

Mind you I am summerizing things so I hope I got the general point of the show and what they talked about in that 5 minute skit.
Link to Show
Anyway it was difficult to tell if Colbert was on the side of saw stop or not. Did anyone else see this and what is your take on the Show regarding the issue?

-- Ken, USAF MSgt, Ret.


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#1 posted 918 days ago

Hopefully someone will put that on Youtube. I’m interested in seeing this.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#2 posted 918 days ago

I found the video, see link in the first post

-- Ken, USAF MSgt, Ret.

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#3 posted 918 days ago

Back in the late eighties I got my hands on an OSHA safety report that appeared to indicate that the accident rate for woodworkers was 1 injured digit per woodworker per every 10 years worked.

That’s when I knew my day job would be in the shop office whenever possible.

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#4 posted 918 days ago

According to the 2009 Consumer Product Safety Commission Survey of Injuries Involving Stationary Saws 2001-2008 )http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia11/os/statsaws.pdf) the following number of accidents are associated per year with table saws/bench saws
2001 – 31,900
2002 – 33,100
2003 – 37,000
2004 – 39,900
2005 – 38,200
2006 – 38,100
2007 – 34,800
2008 – 38,100

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#5 posted 918 days ago

They ask how the accident happened when you go to the ER. Same way they know you were knifed….
unfortunately if you trip over your own feet and fall onto the table saw with the electricity turned off in the shop, it is still a table saw accident and not clumsiness.

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#6 posted 918 days ago

i could not tell by the survey how many were contractor saws – indicating accident occured on a job site by protentially someone not well versed in TS safety.

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#7 posted 918 days ago

”...if you trip over your own feet and fall onto the table saw with the electricity turned off…”

Sadly, I think I’m more likely to have this type of TS accident than any other. I’m always tripping over stuff in my shop. Luckily, even when the saw’s off, the blade guard protects you! ;-)

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#8 posted 918 days ago

Here we go again…..

How about we tank all the saw stop threads as well?

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#9 posted 918 days ago

I read the report just now, 88% of those are blade related. So using 2008 as a sample 33,528 are blade related.

“At the time of the injury, the saw did not have a safety switch in 78.7 percent of the cases, and the saw blade was not protected by a blade guard in 65.7 percent of the cases. In most cases, the blade guard was removed (75.0 percent) for operational convenience. A riving knife was attached to the saw in 20.4 percent of the cases, and an anti-kickback pawl or spreader assembly was attached to the saw in 24.4 percent of the cases”

Reading further in the report they talked to roughly 821 people total and came up with those numbers. So it’s not true data, they are using statistical forumulas that can be easily skewed by that small of a base.

-- Ken, USAF MSgt, Ret.

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#10 posted 918 days ago

Ken – not arguing for aor against Saw Stop, the original question was in regards to the claim of “40,000 table saw accidents”. I just found the source for that number. No value assigned to the report, just where the numbers come from and what they are.

-- Shameless - Winner of two Stumpy Nubs Awards

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#11 posted 918 days ago

No, I appreciated your effort, thanks.

But seriously, I am still lost on what direction Colbert was going on that… LOL… I just didn’t get the Satire of it. Honestly I think he was going down the middle of the road on it and not really picking a side.

-- Ken, USAF MSgt, Ret.

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#12 posted 918 days ago

Here we go again….. How about we tank all the saw stop threads as well?

I know like beating a dead horse, but I think it’s relivent considering this show just aired.

-- Ken, USAF MSgt, Ret.

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#13 posted 918 days ago

i don’t doubt that many of those injured
are week-end warriors
that buy a table saw on sale
that they have no idea how to use
that sits unused most of the year
(we have all seen some garages
packed with junk
and a tool or two stuffed within it all)

then one day they go in and make a shelf
and get hurt

somehow this equates to ALL the statistics
even though these ‘woodworkers’ don’t know squat
about safety or tool use

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#14 posted 918 days ago

Next on the Colbert show the Festool guy talking tool price!

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#15 posted 918 days ago

I´ll bett those numbers came up the same way as
the ER´s here in the 70-80 -90 th did with what dog was it that bide you
uuuh don´t know but is ws big = written german sheapdog ” becourse
that is what our policeforce mostly used back then ….......... with other word
even a Fein oscilating multi tool is catagorised as a tablesaw …. DOOH !!!

take care
Dennis

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