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546 days ago |
Ed; -- DeputyDawg |
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546 days ago |
Dennis, -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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546 days ago |
Hi Ed; For me a business plan has always been a problem. I am trained to estimate costs based on drawings and specifications. These are facts and figures that with some time spent will yield real numbers. A business plan is a series of guess, based solely on more guesses. When writing one I can’t help but feel I’m making things up. As an example, with my ezee-feed business, potential investors want to know what results can be expected, prior to disclosing how much money they will be investing, and over how long of a period. I too just don’t get this part of it. Lee -- by Lee A. Jesberger http://www.prowoodworkingtips.com http://www.ezee-feed.com |
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544 days ago |
When I was working wood for a living it was pretty hand-to-mouth. Keep your costs as low as possible. Don’t overinvest in expensive The marketing is the toughest part of the business. You’ll have to Specialize. Learn to do what you do Fast. Go for high-profit jobs. If you need assistance with marketing… well, I now consult in that -- Would you like to recession-proof your present business using the internet? - my revealing 9-page free report gives you the straight facts: http://copymatch.com/rec/cap.html |
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544 days ago |
Ed, When I first went into business I sat down and tried to write a business plan. There were no model plans out there for a business that made high end 18th Century reproductions. Everything is custom. I spent hours in the library researching related businesses, charting sales trends and lots of other nonesense trying to figure out how to accurately predict the path my business should take. Like Lee, I found that business plans are a series of guesses based on other guesses and a few hopes and dreams. You can find numbers to support nearly anything you want. The reality is, you need to have a backlog of work and the desire and ability to do it to the highest level you can. By the sounds of it, you are looking to gear yourself in that direction. If you don’t already have a handful of clients, it could be a long hard road. High end clients are tough to get. If they weren’t, everyone would do this. The best advise I can give is, don’t waste too many hours writing a plan. Work to the best of your ability…always. Be uncompromising in the quality of the things you make. High end clients often (not always) have at least some understanding of “quality”. Give the customer 100% and your business will grow. Nothing is better for a business than a recommendation. It’s worth hundreds of ads. Good luck. Keep us posted on the progress. -- Chuck Bender, period furniture maker, www.acanthus.com |
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541 days ago |
I’ve started to write a business plan based on SBA models, and models I found on Dan Miller’s website. And then it dawned on me: other than the excellent advice that Chuck and Loren have already given, the next most important thing to me was to cashflow EVERYTHING so there would be no debt. Without the need to go to a bunch of banks to get big loans to buy tools with, it seems to me that I really don’t need a very elaborate business plan. So far, mine looks something like this (and I’m just starting on this journey, too): -- There's no tool like an old tool... |
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541 days ago |
Just my thoughts… Are not business plans primarily used to get investor (banks, individuals) dollars? I like Texasgaloot’s theory. If I can not pay cash for tools and essentials, either find another way or don’t do it at all. A one man business is tough enough. I owned a computer consultancy for a number of years in the late 80’s and early 90’s and it was BRUTAL. So much business that I had to bring in help, which ended up being the downfall of the business because you can NOT be in two (or three, or four) places at one time. Making the decision to incur NO outside debt will lead you to be more creative, i.e. you won’t have every newfangled gadget, and re-think many processes, often to your benefit. The downside to this is, without the tools to do the job as quickly as possible, you may find that you should not do the job at all. Hutch -- Hutch - North Dallas, Tx - Safety First |
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541 days ago |
Yes a business plan can be used to seek fiunding for start money but it can also be used in order to help you to grow the business and track where you want the business to be and where you want to be. I have been working with the local SBA to seek their advise. I have reviewed their models and none of the models they have relate directly to us. They are either for a retail or a manufacturing business. Not for a solo woodworker, he stated that what I am looking at doing would almost be concidered an Artist, or Studio Artist. I find it hard to see myself described an Artist?? Just looking to see how others have answered these questions. In a past life as a Sheet Metal worker I had my own shop. Besides doing sheet metal, I also sold, installed and service heating and a/c. In that market it was easy to answer all the questions I am now trying to find answers to. -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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541 days ago |
I’m in line with Tex. In fact his so called business plan looks and sounds like my (non existing) plan. If I have to borrow money for it, I don’t need it. 50% down on orders, usually covers all my cost to get the piece built and to the customer. The balance pays for my investments. I put nearly everything back into the business. One of my goals is to not have any outstanding debt, that way if I want to close the doors, I do it, and I don’t owe anything to anybody. -- Tim -- http://tmuli.com |
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541 days ago |
But a grant does not have to be repaid. I agree about staying debt free and the part about deposits. But there is no sense in telling the SBA that I don’t want there free money for not wanting to write a business plan. -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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541 days ago |
Hi Ed, Sounds like you are about to launch your woodworking into a business. Quite a step. Best wishes and much success. Dale |
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541 days ago |
I’m heading that way, slowly but surely. Ive been looking aound trying to find where to set up shop. I’m taking my time, my target date is about this time next year when I’m finished school. -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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541 days ago |
Hello Ed, I’m getting into the discussion a little late, but so far you have gotten some good advice. During my years in the banking biz, I have seen many business plans. The type of business plan that you need somewhat depends on what your trying to get accomplished. If you are seeking money for start up and taking it to a bank, the primary considerations are going to be what you have and are willing to put up to secure the loan and more importantly your credit history. Even if you are seeking an SBA guarantee, you will still be dealing with a lender. The SBA rarely makes loans direct and then only for a narrow category. If you are going to seek grant money, the granting entity will most likely have a form (either paper or electronic) that you will need to complete. They will tell you what pertinent info they want from you. |
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451 days ago |
I’m working on getting a business plan together for a Gov’t(Cdn) subsidy I’ve been able to get. |
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408 days ago |
So I realize that this post will largely restate the obvious but it helped me clarify my thoughts about what kind of work I wanted to do. I thought about what would make people want handmade furniture when they can go to Ikea and furnish half there home for the price of one custom piece. I came up with 5 central types of value that fine furniture has: 1) Durability- obviously solid wood dovetailed together will last ten times as long as particle board screwed together so in essence the value is several times that a cheap piece of furniture. 2) Aesthetic Value- in the time that a person owns a piece they will have a far more personal relationship to it and consider it more attractive than mass produced furniture. 3) Investment Value- this is a tricky subject but in general an mass produced piece will only go down in value, but a handmade piece will be easier to resell at a reasonable price. In addition many customers will have a subtle fantasy that you may be famous one day and there piece will be worth a lot. (that is why to should advertise the fact that you sign your pieces) 4) Display Value- It is no secret that people like to show off to their friends. Having fine furniture is one way that people can do this. Furniture can suggest that a certain person is sophisticated, or has a taste for authenticity, and lets not forget that it also displays wealth. This is why I think it is so important to sell a story or shpeal with every piece so the customer can fantasize about passing the story on to a friend. 5) Charity Value- People who but fine furniture are generally affluent so they have a lot of choices about where to spend their money. In an age where most products to be bought conceal the disappointing reality that a face-less corporation stands behind their production, the small furniture shop seems refreshing. the point is you need to sell the fact that buying your furniture keeps a dying craft alive, and that you are a starving artist doing what you do out of passion for it. People love to think of themselves as patrons of the arts. -- Adam, http://adamweisfurniture.com |
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402 days ago |
There is a lot of great ideas out there but just as I thought I had things figured out, my wife got involved. It turns out she is overwelmingly homesick for SE Indiana. -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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401 days ago |
Don’t forget SCORE. Your first response was the only one mentioning it, and it can be a teriffic resource. SCORE = Service Corps. of Retired Executives -- - Please help keep Lumberjocks an enjoyable escape by refusing to participate in political discussions. Simply spit out the bait and ignore the thread... |
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258 days ago |
Barry, I have been working with a couple of really great guys from SCORE. I actually met through the Shriners, while attending a fund raising dinner. They have taken me under their wings and are givng me some great ideas. Its not exactly what I had in mind when I started out but tight now any work is better tham no work. In the mean time I am making a lot of fantastic business contact that I’m sure will be a source of future work. Like they say Rome wasn’t built in a day. Growth has been slow but steady, which is the way I wanted to go. -- Ed - Milan, IN |
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