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Forum topic by Dennisgrosen posted 01-21-2012 12:36 AM 2099 views 0 times favorited 31 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-21-2012 12:36 AM

Dear Lumber Jocks / Gals around the world

if I may take a few minuts of your expencive sparetime
then please continue reading

excuse if seems to be a little werd to read since I have written it as the words comes to me
so the order of the small chapters isn´t the best but I hope my point come thrugh
even though I´m just another none educated neanderthaler from the cave but please continue
reading thrugh my punishment of the English language

is the free speak/word dead ?
the other day 19/1 2012 WIKIPEDIA and many other sites
choosed to go in black in protest over some laws US was about to get thrugh the congress
that SOPA and PIPA stood behind you can read about it here and here
an earlyer blog of mine if you want to see the comments here

one thing was never cought by the women /man in the cave and that was the N.D.A.A. law
Obama put his signature on the 31/12 2011 while every one ells was busy with celebrating
the new year
what have those laws to do with each other you may ask ….....everything (I´ll come back to it)

the different bigger news medias wuoldn´t tuch it with a tang before after the black out
but are busy washing there hands by now all over the world but still they back from
going to the flesh of there local politicians and get them to be clear that the people
don´t want laws that take away there freedomm and the right of the free word/speach

even now the FBI play with the muscles and close down sites outsite USA
they have just close Megauploads a hong kong based company and arrested the funder and six other persons
using a piratcopy law
what does that does that meen to L J
if you uploads any pictures /text / music / vidio´s you don´t have made interrely yourself and own
all the rights to and if there is any person on the pictures or in the vidio that don´t have given there
permission in writting they can close L J and take you to the court

I just wonder why they didn´t used the N.D.A.A law when it comes to megauploader and the owner
to get them behind bars and throw away the key ..... Sarcasme is used
what is Mega upload

people in the free world watch out and get ready to fight for your rights …... why ?
becourse many of the socalled democraties with free elections isn´t so far behind USA
when it comes to make stupid laws like that
one of the reason its possiple is the grey haired old fools sitting in the parlements
is scared of what they don´t understand a fraction of and is glued to the chairs
so they think we better have to make laws so people think we do something it doesn´t matter
if the freedom and the free speach/word is gone as long as they stay on the power and get payd for it

it brings me back to the N.D.A.A. law I´m not sure the hardworking women or man in USA
does realise that with that law in hand there own goverment can arrest every one
and throw away the key with no reason and not have to let them be judged in a court room
they all say its not how the law is intended to be used but against people from other country´s
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA if the wrong people want and is on the right place they will be used
against the population in USA

unfortunaly laws like this doesn´t have influence on what criminals or experts on computers
is able to do but will have hayvely influence of what the hard working part of the population
that isn´t criminel that is hurt with stupid laws like that

with laws like that you havn´t Democrazy but you have pseudodemocracy or dictatorship
with other words speak only if you are asked

unfortunaly SOPA and PIPA have an ace in the slieves ….... namely H.R. 1981:
protectecting children from internet Pornographers Act of 2011
and its the same suporters
there is behind SOPA and PIPA

I´ll bett they will try to get there laws in under the that law as copy-paste
and its devilish smart , becourse if you try to act against the HR 1981
then you are automatic acused to suport childpornography
does it sucks when you can tread the law system like that

wake up people don´t let the socalled better educated or the wall street like suits
take the freedom from the people in the name …. we just want to protect you

don´t get me wrong I´m not against authors /artist get there money for the rights they have
to the book /music etc. but they do send copys of the music /vidios out to promote
them selfs and want the radiostations to play them
but you are not allowed to do the same by upload a link from you-tube
if the laws go thrugh the system then you are intiled to get five years behind bars
one year more than the doctor who killed michael Jackson
and the site you have uploaded it to will get closed evn with the disclaimer they have
of not being responsible for your post

Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security
- Benjamin Franklin

I know many wuold say this shuold be posted under non -shop talk and if the owner or moderates
find it shuold be so then place it there instead of deleating it without warning

have a great day every one of you


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#1 posted 01-21-2012 12:48 AM

I agree totally Dennis.

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#2 posted 01-21-2012 12:55 AM

thank´s Mike
even a slow thinking person like me don´t like
that 80 million peoples dead in WW II shuold be wasted for nothing
we have to take care of what they fighted for and left to us


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#3 posted 01-21-2012 12:59 AM

A problem we have in America is not enough voters are not as imformed as you are Dennis!

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#4 posted 01-21-2012 01:05 AM

its the same all over in the free world
even here in my country tough we have had minimum one law that got
trugh the system with out knowledge of what influence it had on the people
as I posted on my earlyer blog as comment

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#5 posted 01-21-2012 01:21 AM

Dennis, I’m glad to hear someone speak out about this legislation. I sent a scathing letter to my Congressman nearly a month ago when I learned off the bill. I sent the letter after I found out that Mr. Smith was one of the authors of the bill! I couldn’t believe that he would be supporting such violation off our First Amendment. I voted for Mr. Smith, & you can be sure that he’ll continue to hear from me about this issue.

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#6 posted 01-21-2012 01:30 AM


Thank you for this post and I appreciate the struggle you had with writing it. I was fortunate to take a political science course in German at the Freie Universitaet in Berlin when I was stationed there in the mid 70’s. Politics are some of the hardest ideas to translate into a language other than your own. I am afraid that the camel’s nose is not only under the tent flap, but half of his neck is too.

I have a picture of a pitchfork in my desk, because the pitchfork is the tool we need most to solve the problems in Washington and Indianapolis. Indianapolis is the capital of Indiana and the state legislature is often worse at suppressing liberty than the Federal Congress. Does Denmark have a similar local legislature as well as the Parliament in Copenhagen? Are yours as tradition and resistant to change as ours our?

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#7 posted 01-21-2012 03:34 AM

Dennis, thank you for the concern. I find that when those from another country express their concern for America’s future, that alone should cause Americans to take a second look at the direction in which we are heading. We are often blind to our own problems.

I have spent a good deal of my youth reading about American history. I have looked around me the last 30 years and have felt discomforted by the realization that many rights that were fought in bloody conflict to obtain are being given away with scarcely a thought. Much of this, regrettably, begins with the greatest of intentions. It is a habit to try and legislate morality, to enforce proper social behaviors for the good of everyone. We desire to stop bullying, to end racism, to eliminate sexual harrassment, and these are all good things to achieve. But these things are never gained by laws but by a growing conscientiousness of the community as a whole. This growing understanding can only be gained by free communication and what many don’t realize is that laws that are designed to protect will ultimately restrict the very thing that preserves us and helps us flourish.

People can use the freedom of speech to say offensive things, they can be mean, they can be prejudiced, hurtful, etc. etc. etc. But we also use the freedom of speech to express our own disgust at this behavior, to teach people that these things are wrong, and at times even use our freedom to refrain from speaking and shame these people into silence.

You probably noticed from reading posts in LJs that this attitude of bettering the community is demonstrated here. There are people who constantly implore Martin and Debbie to restrict access to actively censor people, much like we implore the government to force people to be kind. Yet, we all have the freedom to participate, offer our own opinion, or ignore and not give more of an audience to those that we do not agree with. I use this only to give an example on how our actions as a whole can restrict or expand our freedoms and how it can come to be that we willingly throw these freedoms away.

Thank you for posting Dennis.


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#8 posted 01-21-2012 04:10 AM


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#9 posted 01-21-2012 04:15 AM

The governments encroachment into our lives, our freedom and our liberty is becoming smothering.

They really need to leave everyone the hell alone.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#10 posted 01-21-2012 12:07 PM

I´m glad that you found out of it way before many others did
fortunaly or unfortunaly the only reason to why I get noticed of it was becourse I was curious
of what Caucasisk walnut was when Jordan asked if anyone knew how it looked and
how it was to work with the day WiKIPEDIA was in black in prostest and I wanted to use the english
site to get the answer on onfortunaly it was only the sites with the english language that was in black
I´m pretty sure if they have made a week blackout on all the languages it wuold have given
a bigger chockvawe thrugh the world

HamS :
no and yes (sort of) we only have one parlement since we only about 5 million people
here in Denmark but then we unfortunaly have joined the EU so alot of silly/stupid laws is made
in the EU parlement and the Danish gorverment has the impliment them in the danish laws :-(
a few years ago they try´d to make a law about how much of curvature a cucumber most have
if it shuold be legal to sell it …........DOOH
and now they have made another stupid law that make it impossiple for butchers andother
small foodproduction companys to sell it more than 50 km away from where it is made …......DOOH

one more law against the free market …. stupid stupid stupid

David :
I´m not trying or want to intrude /interup poking my nose into what laws USA deside
to have when it comes to what there own people is alowed and how they are treaded
but when they make laws that have big influence of how my day is going to bee
well then I wake up from my beauty sleep and start to hone the broadsword

What wuold USA and the rest of the free world have done if it was China or Iran
that stopped a site in another country ?


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#11 posted 01-21-2012 12:16 PM

Dennis, I apologize if my response was taken as a criticism, that was not my intention. I was in agreement with your comments. Language barriers are not always easy to cross and I make a very poor diplomat :)


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#12 posted 01-21-2012 03:13 PM

Gentle men, (space intentional)
The law’s intent is to stop piracy of copyrighted material. The intent is good. The law sucks, though.
As Dennis observes, ”one of the reason its possiple is the grey haired old fools sitting in the parlements
is scared of what they don´t understand a fraction of and is glued to the chairs
so they think we better have to make laws so people think we do something it doesn´t matter

All laws will have unintended consequences. Those drafting such legislation should know of what they speak. As we’ve seen over the last number of years, such is not the case.
Better to pass no law than to pass one that restricts freedom.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#13 posted 01-21-2012 03:31 PM

I totally agree with the unintended consequences problem. We are involved in the small-farming community and see these problems all the time. Without going into detail, a regulation that might make sense for large industrial farms can destroy the small farms.

You know that something is wrong when your method of exchanging farm produce for money is more convoluted than a drug deal.

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#14 posted 01-21-2012 04:29 PM

As it was pointed out in several sources elsewhere SOPA is UN NECESSARY. There are already laws that can be utilized to go after copyright infringement DIRECTLY. Not through ISP’s, search engines, or websites. But there are those in gov’t that want CONTROL of the Internet. Our last bastian of truth. THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN. Once the “camel’s nose is under the tent”, where will it be next? The progressive socialist liberals DON’T want you to be able to find THE truth, they want you be only able to find THEIR “truth”, or anything else for that matter. The bill has been “tabled” at this point. But it hasn’t been thrown out. We MUST keep an eye on this most dangerous piece of legislation.


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#15 posted 01-21-2012 05:33 PM

The progressive socialist liberals DON’T want you to be able to find THE truth

Hmmmm…. I thought Lamar Smith was a republican conservative… ;-)

-- To surrender a dream leaves life as it is — and not as it could be.

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