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01-18-2012 08:36 AM

Hello,
I have the opportunity to buy some old steel from before ‘63. It’s a Wadkin Bursgreen AGS 12” Table Saw. The ad doesn’t really specify anything other than it having a Beismeyer fence rather than the original. It is wired for 220V. I’m not sure whether it’s three phase or single phase. The top is in excellent condition from what I can see in the pictures. According to some people, this saw is the European equivalent of the Unisaw or Powermatic 66.

It’s listed at 495 dollars. It has been used in an industrial setting but I really don’t see the problem with that. It’s been on the classifieds for about three months so I reckon I could get him down to somewhere in the 400-450 range.

I have a few questions on the saw itself.
I read somewhere that if the body has round corners(This one does) it’s from before ‘63. Can anyone back that up? The one I’m looking at has approximately 1-3/4” radius corners.

Does anyone know where I can find replacement parts? I’m not sure if it still has the riving knife and guard.

The base is solid cast iron.

I’ll post pictures a bit later but until then, thanks for any info.

Whatever you do, don’t tell me to look for a Unisaw or a General saw. I’ve been checking the classifieds almost daily and have seen no such thing in about half a year. This is one of the only cabinet saws I’ve seen that isn’t ridiculously priced.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."


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#1 posted 01-18-2012 08:45 AM

Wadkin made some good stuff. Go look at it and rub your jaw,
hem and haw and I’ll bet you get it for $350. If too far to do that
offer $350 on the phone and see what the seller says.

Better be single phase or it should be less.

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#2 posted 01-18-2012 09:00 AM

Loren,
I consider myself lucky when it comes to haggling. I like to make the offer after I’ve pointed out all the flaws and said “Well, the table might need to be re-machined, this doo-dad here looks to be shoddy… I’ll give you ten bucks.”.
I also have the being young benefit. I’m 17 years of age and I explain how I’m trying to set up a shop so I can pursue my hobby but don’t have very much money, which is true.

How do I determine if it’s single phase just by looking at it? There is a picture of the plug. It’s a 220V locking plug.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#3 posted 01-18-2012 06:35 PM

You have to look at the motor plate to be sure. Most
3 phase equipment I’ve seen used hasn’t had a plug – I think
they are usually hard-wired. So if there’s a 220v plug that’s
a good sign. The motor plate will usually have a label on
it that says “Phase 1” or “Phase 3”.

Likely the reason the seller hasn’t sold it is buyers are shy
of old equipment. I’ve never feared buying used machinery
but a lot of people are really concerned about getting a boat
anchor they can’t fix. If you’re young you can adapt and
make the machine fix-ups part of the fun of woodworking.

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#4 posted 01-19-2012 02:12 AM

It has a locking plug with four prongs. It could be three phase as the seller has another ad for a panel saw that is three phase. If it is three phase, a Static Phase Convertor is only 140 dollars for one rated at 3HP.

I contacted the seller and asked him about the Phase and the Riving Knife. He said he can’t answer my question and I would have to go see it to find out. Uneducated seller=best seller unless they’re asking ridiculous amounts of money.

I enjoy fixing machines. It was fun to completely rebuild and paint my 2003 Delta X-5 6” Jointer.

What’s the best source to buy a riving knife?

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#5 posted 01-19-2012 04:33 AM

Europe adopted riving knives long before the usa but I have no
idea if a Wadkin this old would have one.

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#6 posted 01-19-2012 05:40 AM

I forgot to mention, I have found the original manual online.
http://www.rjmachinery.co.uk/manuals-files//wadkin/AGS%20Saw%2012inch.pdf
It originally came with a riving knife and guard.

Looking at the exploded parts view of the saw, I could probably find a riving knife from another saw that would work. I’m not really concerned about the guard, although it would be nice to have. I plan on getting a General Excalibur overhead blade guard mainly for dust collection purposes.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#7 posted 01-19-2012 06:00 AM

Riving knives are just flat pieces of steel with a bevel on the leading
edge. I’m sure you can get a tracing of the knife from another
owner of the same model saw. The important thing is that the
mounts are in the design of the saw.

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#8 posted 01-19-2012 07:45 AM

Hopefully those pictures should work.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#9 posted 01-19-2012 07:58 AM

Probably single phase. You have to plug it in or read the plate
to tell for sure. 3 wires at 220v single phase is hot/hot/ground,
4 is hot/hot/neutral/ground. Read the lettering on the plug –
if it doesn’t specify 3 phase it is a single phase plug and probably
a single phase motor.

As I said, 3 phase machines tend to be hardwired so when you
see one disconnected there is no plug.

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#10 posted 01-19-2012 08:00 AM

Make sure the tilt works. Looks like that plywood dust collection
thingy prevents tilting.

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#11 posted 01-19-2012 08:10 AM

So it is single phase. I see that now, it says “20A” on the plug. You must have good eyes. Now that I look even harder I can see it says 250V. Me and my father completely re-wired the garage. We put in a sub-panel and now have 220V 60Amp service.
My question now is, does the saw require 250V to run or is that just the rating of the plug?

As for the tilt, I’m going to enclose the motor so I can get the best dust collection. That means the plywood has to go.

Loren, thanks for all the help thus far. I greatly appreciate it.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#12 posted 01-19-2012 08:26 AM

Plugs are rated 215-250v or so. Electrical voltage varies in real
life. We say “220” or “230” or “240” but it’s really talking about
the same setups and margins of safety. The next step up is
480 volts which is always a 3 phase thing from what I’ve seen.

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#13 posted 01-19-2012 08:37 AM

I was figuring it was something like that.
Looking at the manual, the motor is 3HP. That should be enough power. A lot better than my current 1HP.

It’s going to be fun to move it. 760 pounds of cast iron.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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#14 posted 01-19-2012 08:50 AM

Oh, no problem. I’m more than twice your age and I’ved moved
several machines in that weight class , sometimes with only
help in the loading. Wear gloves and keep your lower back
strong. Disassemble where possible.

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#15 posted 01-19-2012 09:07 AM

Damn, now I’m excited about this saw. It’s hard to focus on studying for my first year Joinery exam. I think I’ll pass anyways. I managed to do no studying for my first year Carpentry exam and stayed up ‘till 3:00AM finishing my drawings required to write the exam and managed to get 81%. Second highest in the class of four.

-- --Tyrone - BC, Canada "Nothing is ever perfect, we just run out of time."

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