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Forum topic by Peter Oxley posted 01-17-2012 05:09 PM 2720 views 0 times favorited 49 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-17-2012 05:09 PM

Topic tags/keywords: sopa pipa website profit

I usually stay away from political stuff outside of specifically political forums, but …

HR3261 (SOPA) and S968 (PIPA), if enacted, have the potential to put an end to LJ in the U.S.. I’ve been reading around about this legislation, and Craigslist has a great summary of the information. The original intent of the legislation was to combat piracy, especially by entities outside of U.S. jurisdiction. But the wording is so vague, a corporation would be able to demand the ability to take down any web site that affects their profits, without due process or judicial oversight.

LJ is full of handmade versions of things available for purchase in a store … tables, pens, entertainment centers, cutting boards, jigs, and the list goes on and on. A manufacturer of any of those items could claim that the handmade item on LJ affects their profits (you didn’t buy it from them, and now someone else might make their own, too), and demand that the page … and possibly the entire site … be blocked or taken down.

If you are in the U.S., I encourage you to find out more about these bills (don’t just take my word for it) and contact your legislators to let them know how you would like them to vote.

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#1 posted 01-17-2012 05:12 PM

Do me a favor and (edit) re-title the Heading to include “SOPA” and “PIPA” as I think this is a VERY important topic and worthy of extended discussion. I have appointments this morning but do want to return later and pitch in on this topic.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#2 posted 01-17-2012 05:13 PM

Thanks for the info. I had seen this on CL too.

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#3 posted 01-17-2012 05:17 PM

I also resist participating in the political topics that appear on this site. Yet, I make an exception on this issue. I’ve read enough to know that SOPA and PIPA are bad policy. I understand the need for some restriction on piracy, but these 2 bills overreach. It’s a result of manufacturers having a voice in congress (i.e. large campaign contributions) and hobbyist, like us, not having a voice.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#4 posted 01-17-2012 05:17 PM

@HorizontalMike – edited! Thanks for the suggestion.

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#5 posted 01-17-2012 05:34 PM

I think that Wikipedia’s announced protest is an interesting move:
English Wikipedia anti-SOPA blackout

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#6 posted 01-17-2012 05:38 PM

OK I am not from the USA, but potentially this affects everybody in the world.

I understand the essence of why the big corporations want to stop piracy – Do not agree with the methodology they are using though.

With regard to this bill, maybe some of the pen makers (for example) should get the commercial sites taken down as they are reducing there own sales – after all it was the humble woodworkers who came up with the idea before the commercial boys – they pirated/stole the ideas from us.

They may be able to block a site (Big Brother) in the USA, but if that site is hosted outside the USA, surely they can do nothing about taking the site down if it hosted in another country, unless that country is intending to apease the power and might of the USA.

I just hope that common sense prevails and the video/movie companies (who are probably force behind this) are forced to make there Movies/DVDs non pirateable, rather than taking the easy option – After all if the P2P sites are taken down, the pirates will always find another way the pirate and distribute information, after all they did with 8mm, then VHS/Beta, then CD, then DVD, then the internet and they will with whatever media method they are still to discover.

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#7 posted 01-17-2012 06:41 PM

This is important because it effects basic individual freedoms! Aside from the threat of LJ losing access to markets, the more important issue is ‘who picks winners and losers?’ This is the question of our time. Political power is concentrating in the hands of a few with access to state owned security (read police), regardless of party affiliation, and our new overlords are no longer consulting the many (you and me) as was resolved in a declaration of Independence and Constitution some 236 years ago. Instead of We The People loan our power to a limited government, today we have We The People scratching our heads and asking, “why is my voice not being heard.” Answer: Because our overlords (read: political class) is not listening! They have no intent, beyond casual appearance, to listen to your complaints. Get it?

For Tony, above, who said, ”...I just hope that common sense prevails…” Hope is not much of an operational plan and, in fact, hopeful thinking is what most people are doing. It lacks action and is exactly what our politicians are expecting. We must change our approach, stop hoping and start acting. Short of action, you will see more of the same until the noose closes around the neck of personal freedoms.

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#8 posted 01-17-2012 06:49 PM

SOPA been shelved indefinitely until its reworked but PIPA is still on.

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#10 posted 01-17-2012 07:07 PM

I don’t like the rosy cheeks… too much make-up!

I have heard that this law may be devastating to video sites like You-tube. Imagine a world where woodworking video podcasts (I’m not just talking about mine, I also enjoy watching several here on LJ’s) that rely on YouTube hosting, are gone!

-Jim; aka “Stumpy Nubs”
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#11 posted 01-17-2012 07:37 PM

Maybe I’m being thick – not uncommon.
I’ve just read S968 (PIPA) and, whilst I don’t necessarily agree with what it says, it seems to me it’s very much (that is to say, completely) targeted at copyright violations.
Perhaps someone could point me at the bit of the proposed legislation that would make the LJ site a potential target?

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#12 posted 01-17-2012 07:51 PM

Peter, Thank you for this post. It seems the big money in this issue is trying to bury us in BS. Am I correct in thinking the companies that own the news media are in favor of this legislation? The only discussion of it I have heard on mainstream media was on Chris Hayes’ UP. That discussion included a rude lawyer in favor who seems to have lied his ass off . What is confusing is who is opposed, and who is in favor of these bills politically. Is it just a simple matter to track down who got big campaign contributions? We really need to pay attention here. -Jack

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#13 posted 01-17-2012 08:08 PM

Like most bills the INTENT is good, but how it has been used/twisted for gain always gets ugly.

The electronic Frontier Foundation has a lot of good information as well as a “Hall Of Shame” detailing how egregious claims can be forcing site takedowns.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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#14 posted 01-17-2012 08:21 PM

KnickKnack -

This letter to congress outlines some of the concerns:

-- “Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are.” ― R. Waters

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#15 posted 01-17-2012 08:28 PM

Post a link to a copyrighted pic, design, or just about anything else and you are in trouble. This goes far beyond what was even allowed with DMCA takedown notices.

About the only ones that would have any hope of not being bullied are those who already have their own legal army in place and very deep pockets.

-- Woodworking shouldn't cost a fortune:

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