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01-15-2012 02:41 AM

I was in the Army in Vietnam. My son was a marine.
I think this BS about the four marines facing charges is ridiculous.
1. Do people really think things like this hasn’t happened before? Get real!
2. You train someone to kill people and then want to berate them because they were blowing off a little steam.
3.How about the atrocities the Somalies commited by dragging our Seals thru town on the back of a car?
4. How about Taliban,Elkinda (or however you spell it) cutting peoples heads off and stuffing their genitals in the mouth of their victums.
5> How about 9/11? That wasn’t an atrocity?
If I was a soldier today and these guys were disiplinned, I think I’d pack up and tell the news medis to go fight.
I blame the news media for keeping things like this stirred up. Some of these people reporting the news wouldn’t know a bazooka if it hit them in the butt but they really try to make a story out of everything. This is why we can’t win in Afganistan or Iraq or any place else we stick our noses in. Too D%$# many do gooders. Even my grandfather that didn’t even have a high school diploma(had to work to feed the family) said never get into a fight just to fight. If you get in a fight, fight to win.
I blame the taliban for being in the way of a group of guys just taking a P*&^ call. They were laying around at the wrong place at the wrong time.
Thank you, Howie will now step off his soap box.

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#1 posted 01-15-2012 02:46 AM

I saw the video and it was very disturbing specially taping it for all to see.
What about the things that happen and are not on tapes?

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#2 posted 01-15-2012 03:04 AM

US probes video of Marines urinating on dead Afghans
The US military was investigating a “disgusting” online video purportedly showing Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, a Pentagon spokesman said.

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US probes video of Marines urinating on dead Afghans
The video shows what appears to be four servicemen, dressed in US military uniform, relieving themselves onto three bloodied bodies on the ground, apparently aware that they are being filmed.

“Have a great day, buddy,” one of them says, giggling.

It is not clear from the video whether the dead Afghans were Taliban insurgents or civilians.

The Pentagon has not yet verified the video, but spokesman John Kirby told AFP: “Regardless of the circumstances or who is in the video, this is… egregious, disgusting behavior, unacceptable for anyone in uniform.”

“It turned my stomach,” he added of the video, which was posted on the Live Leak website.

The Afghan Taliban Thursday denounced the video as “barbaric.”

“This is a barbaric act. Over the past 10 years there have been hundreds of similar cases that were not revealed,” Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahed told AFP.

If authenticated, the images—which conjure up previous abuses committed by US troops during the decade-long war—could spark deep anger and resentment in Afghanistan and the wider Muslim world.

A military official who asked not to be named said the helmet and weapon carried by one of the men seems to indicate the four could be members of an elite sniper team.

The official also said such conduct would be punishable under the US code of military justice.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a prominent US Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, condemned the alleged desecration of corpses.

“If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians,” CAIR said in a statement on Thursday.

“We trust that this disturbing incident will be promptly investigated in a transparent manner and that appropriate actions will be taken based on the results of that investigation,” the statement said.

“Any guilty parties must be punished to the full extent allowed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and by relevant American laws.”

A statement issued by the Pentagon said: “Headquarters Marine Corps has recently been made aware of a video that portrays Marines urinating on what appear to be deceased members of the Taliban.

“While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps.

“This matter will be fully investigated.”

Some 20,000 Marines are deployed in Afghanistan, mostly in Kandahar and Helmand provinces in the south of the war-ravaged country, the heartland of the hardline Islamist Taliban movement ousted from power in late 2001.

The United States and its NATO allies have some 130,000 troops fighting the Taliban insurgency in Afghanistan.

US and coalition partners plan to hand over security for the whole of the country to Afghan forces by the end of 2014, allowing the withdrawal of combat forces.

In March 2011 the US military apologized after pictures surfaced of US soldiers from a rogue Army unit posing with dead Afghans. Five soldiers from the unit were charged with murder for allegedly shooting civilians for sport.

The German weekly Der Spiegel, which first published the photos, said the Pentagon had tried to prevent their release, fearing a popular backlash against troops in Afghanistan.

In November the ringleader of the “kill team”—which was also charged with taking fingers and teeth as trophies from civilians killed for sport—was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison by a military panel.

That scandal was among the worst faced by the military since the April 2004 revelation of prisoner abuse at the US-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, which became a potent negative symbol of the US occupation.

Eventually, 11 soldiers were convicted in connection to the abuse, and received punishments ranging from an army discharge to 10 years in prison.

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#3 posted 01-15-2012 03:06 AM

War is hell…those who don’t realize it, are ignorant.

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#4 posted 01-15-2012 03:27 AM

It’s more than hell buddy.
Sending those young men at war and pushing them to the limits.
Most come back with a ruin life, those that come back.

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#5 posted 01-15-2012 04:34 AM

Somehow I do not care about upsetting the Muslims. They didn’t care about upsetting me with 9/11.

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#6 posted 01-15-2012 05:47 AM

YES!! This is BS that these Marines would face any kind of charges for their actions! It’s WAR for Gods sake!!

I have 3 Videos on here of the ATROCITIES that THEY (Taliban) perform on a Regular Basis, or at least the ones that have been “Documented”.

The Beheading of Eugene Armstrong! ,,,, The Beheading of Nick Berg! ,,,,Another one of them “Lecturing” about 20 People of their own Country. Then using AK 47’s they Kill them all. Then a Pistol Shot to each of their Heads just to make sure!

The Do-Gooders expect all the Allied Forces to play NICE NICE with these …well I was going to say Animals…but I like REAL Animals. “SCUM of The Earth” would be more fitting!!

No. I wouldn’t post the Link to the Web Site that has this stuff or even the name.

Now that I just typed that ….maybe it would be a good idea to make this stuff more available.

It MIGHT just “SOBER UP” some of the “IDIOTS” that think or believe that Our Fighting Men And Women are over there to “Hand Out Candy” to all the Kiddies and using Rubber Bullets so they won’t seriously Injure these “FREAKS”!!

I’m ANGRY and I’m DONE!!

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#7 posted 01-15-2012 08:31 AM

Howie,

First, thanks for what you and your son have done for us. Secondly, we put those kids in a place where people try to kill them, they don’t know for sure whether or not they’re bad guys or not until the shit hits the fan (remember that?), they keep getting sent back for multiple deployments until they become jaded to the killing, and then they are up on charges for pissing on dead guys qho had just tried to kill them? How dare they violate the sanctity of their holy moslem bodies? Firing squad is too good for them, right? That’s what happens when politicians try to fight a war, with other people’s blood, with RULES when the other side just fights a war. Remember how well that worked? Of course it’s a crock. They should get thanked for their service, and told not to raise their cameras above their schmetzels next time. Who gives a crap about taliban sensitivities anywho? I think it’s absolutely horrendous that anyone would criticize the act anyway. In WWII, bombs typically landed up to 5 miles from the target so the British elected to go in for night time carpet bombing of cities in Germany, killing thousands of civilians a night. Now, if our guys violate the sensitiiveties of the bad guys they just whacked, they are villified? Doesn’t make any sense, and people who have not had bullets snapping past their ears should not presume to judge the actions of one who has. Bet their co had no problem til the stuff started rolling downhill.

Stay on your soapbox Howie.

Steve

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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#8 posted 01-15-2012 10:04 AM

The only stupid thing they did was to film it for the Utube generation.
I suspect thier buddies thought it funny.
I also imagine no one will be laughing at thier courtmartial…...............

-- mike...............

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#9 posted 01-15-2012 10:17 AM

Agreed, no one cares what they did only that they were stupid enough to film it.

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#10 posted 01-15-2012 10:20 AM

They should be given medals for exterminating the ragheads.

-- Clint Searl....Ya can no more do what ya don't know how than ya can git back from where ya ain't been

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#11 posted 01-15-2012 10:29 AM

If we adopt an attitude of ”they did terrible things, so it’s OK for us to do terrible things” then, IMHO, they will have won.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#12 posted 01-15-2012 03:11 PM

KnickKnack, were you ever in the service or and/or a war? “They” are going to win anyway because our politicians don’t support our troops.
One of the worst things to happen was letting the media “embed” with our troops.
I’m a Vietnam vet. I don’t not support this war. I did not support Iraq and I do not support Pakistan. I DO SUPPORT OUR TROOPS! The troops cannot accomplish their mission by getting their fingers smacked for everything that is done.

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#13 posted 01-15-2012 03:26 PM

I differentiate between “supporting our troops”, which is good, and right, and proper, and “supporting our troops regardless of what they do”, which is neither good, nor right, nor proper.

IMHO there’s a line to be drawn, even during times of “war”, and, imho, this is beyond that line. Should we not be defending the “moral high ground”?
Comments such as ”They should be given medals for exterminating the ragheads” just put “us” down at the same low depths as the kind of people that planned and executed attrocities such as 9/11

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#14 posted 01-15-2012 03:30 PM

Let me stir this pot a bit.
I served in the Army then went directly in to police work. I have seen how the liberal media and self serving politicians can destroy people. This nation is headed toward the toilet at quick pace. Just look at how people treated teebow for expressing his Christian beliefs. If teebow were a Muslim no body would have said a thing due to being “politically correct.” You are absolutely correct when you say they train us to fight and kill then seem appalled when we do. Let these soldiers do there job.

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#15 posted 01-15-2012 03:34 PM

You are absolutely correct when you say they train us to fight and kill then seem appalled when we do. Let these soldiers do there job.
But that isn’t what they did.
Unless abusing dead bodies is what they’re trained to do? I’m not in the army, never was, so I bow to your better judgement of what is included in training.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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