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Forum topic by Loren posted 01-14-2012 03:40 AM 2061 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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01-14-2012 03:40 AM

Here’s why I tell you to buy used machinery

It should come as no surprise that Woodworkers have “appetites” for tools that sometimes exceed their commitment to the craft. Also, pro shops close and liquidate.

In the first case, virtually new, high-ticket machinery bought on credit gets sold on the second-hand market for a fraction of the sticker price. In the second, some very capable machinery with substantial use can be got for prices close to scrap metal.

Here are too dreamy virtually new Austrian combo machines made by a Felder subsidiary Hammer being auctioned off in Georgia.

Interestingly, my posting this here may bring bidders to the table and drive up the selling price by a bit.

Well, somebody’s loss is going to be somebody else’s gain. That’s how this stuff works.

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#1 posted 01-14-2012 03:57 AM

Indeed. Being a hobbyist, my budget and commitment to the craft makes new machines a poor value. I’ve had too much good luck with used machines to ever consider buying new. Most used machines are 100% serviceable. And even when they aren’t, they typically only need $20 worth of parts and a couple hours worth of effort to put them into service.

High-end tool boxes are another item that should never be purchased new. On any given day, the Washington DC craigslist will have a half dozen Snap-On/Matco/MAC boxes for sale….often for 30 cents on the dollar.

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#2 posted 01-14-2012 04:15 AM

looks like someeone is gonna get a good deal…good luck LJs

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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#3 posted 01-14-2012 04:27 AM

I looked at the website and those are very good prices….but most of the woodworking machines seem to use 3 phase electric. I don’t know about most other Lumberjock woodworkers, but my home shop is not equipped with 3 phase power for these massive machines. Kind of overkill for my home shop.

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#4 posted 01-14-2012 04:30 AM

Thanks Loren, might be a few around here would like to put their 2ยข in on that

-- Darrell, making more sawdust than I know what to do with

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#5 posted 01-14-2012 12:41 PM

I have always favored buying used (older) tools over brand new. Not because I’m cheap; but because quality is usually better in an older machine. Warranties don’t matter to me. If a machine has been in service for years without problem, that’s warranty enough for me.

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#6 posted 01-14-2012 02:30 PM

We buy a lot of things for our plant at auctions and have been doing it for years.


-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#7 posted 01-14-2012 04:27 PM

check out IRS AUCTIONS…..Industral recovery services…i have bought from these guys before. they have auctions all over the usa an canada.


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#8 posted 01-14-2012 04:34 PM

Both of these machines have reserves that haven’t been met. I doubt they’ll sell for a low price if they do sell at all.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#9 posted 01-14-2012 04:58 PM

Loren I am with you in spirit on buying used machinery but what about the shipping?I have found that the shipping kills the deal for me most of the time be it e-bay or auction.

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#10 posted 01-14-2012 05:41 PM

Loren’s examples are merely illustrative.

All the negatives listed here—reserve, distance, shipping, phase—aren’t to the point.

Tedstor got it.

I would add that having someone who can make an evaluation of the machine, if you’re not qualified, just makes the whole journey more fun.

Last night, driving to a music gig, I recalled years ago answering an ad for a “drilling machine” at a ranch. I called and went out there and found a Ritter single-bit, air powered dowel boring machine. Gave him $35 and tipped it onto my truck and used it for years, back in the pre pocket screw era when we doweled all our face frames.

Rather a spiffy ROI that I wouldn’t have enjoyed had I bought new.

Thanks, Loren, for your encouragement and insights.



-- " his brain, which is as dry as the remainder biscuit after a voyage, he hath strange places cramm'd with observation, the which he vents in mangled forms." --Shakespeare, "As You Like It"

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#11 posted 01-14-2012 05:51 PM

I live in S Ga ans if I had my shop built I would be interested in these items but it will take my available cash to build so can’t put out much more money right now.

-- Dewayne in Bainbridge, Ga. - - No one can make you mad. Only you decide when you get mad - -

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#12 posted 01-14-2012 07:16 PM

My initial reluctance was something about confidence, rather than competence.

In other words, I was intimidated by used tools/Old Arn.

My toe in the waters was my 1956 DeWalt MBF Radial Arm Saw.

Through that experience, I got that “Hey. I can DO this” feeling, and … have been eyeballing CraigsList, ever since.

In all modesty … if I can do it … pert’ near anybody can :-)

-- -- Neil

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#13 posted 01-14-2012 07:55 PM

Yeah – I’m way to far away to be a prospect for these auctions myself…
but you know, if you wait and watch something will come along that’s
close enough to be worth thinking about seriously. I miss out on
machinery bargains all the time, being less that the early worm or
whatever… but I get my share too because I stay engaged in looking.

...and I concur that the seller may have unrealistic expectations
of how much of investment he can recover in an auction like this.

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