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01-11-2012 03:27 PM

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Couple eats pizza while children freeze in car

10/01/2012 10:18:00 AM

by Sameer Vasta
Police in Vaughan had to smash a window to save two children who were left in a locked, freezing car while their parents were at a pizza joint nearby.

Sadly, we’ve all heard stories about parents leaving their children alone in locked cars in the middle of heat waves for extended amounts of time; last week, a couple in Vaughan were issued a caution for leaving their two children in the cold, instead.

The couple in Vaughan, Ontario, were inside a pizza place while their two kids, aged four and six years, were left inside a locked car, shivering as the outside temperature dipped below -20 on one of the coldest days of the winter last Tuesday. Police estimate that the children had been in the car for about 20 minutes until a passerby called 911; police had to break the window of the car to rescue the shivering children while the parents enjoyed their pizza indoors.

The fact that these kinds of incidents keep happening is baffling: what person, in their right mind, thinks it is okay to leave their young children alone in a locked car for an extended amount of time in extreme temperatures — both extreme heat and extreme cold are troublesome — while they head out to enjoy themselves? There are extenuating circumstances, perhaps, but in most cases, if there are two adults available, leaving one with the children (and providing opportunities for the children to stay warm or cool, as the circumstance dictates) only makes sense.

The outcry for better parenting education or even parent licensing is always loud after reports of these incidents, but at some point we must wonder: is this really about bad parenting, or about poor life judgment in general?

It seems to me that the same person who thinks it would be okay to leave their young child locked in a freezing car while they eat pizza is the same kind of person that would make egregious errors in common judgment in all parts of life. A parenting license or better parenting education won’t stop that, but stricter consequences — a caution seems hardly punishment enough — for such actions may deter other people who have similar poor judgment to do the same.

Making an example of others may not always be the best way to educate people, but for people who just don’t “get it,” harsher consequences may be the only thing that works.
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#1 posted 01-11-2012 03:52 PM

Where was it in the South someone left a baby in a locked car on a very hot day and the cops had to break the window of the car to rescue the child.

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#2 posted 01-11-2012 03:54 PM

Sadly, that happens at least once every summer here in New Orleans.

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#3 posted 01-11-2012 03:57 PM

You need a license to fish…..

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#4 posted 01-11-2012 03:57 PM

issued a caution
WTF?
Charlie, in my line of work, I know it well (especially in New Orleans).

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#5 posted 01-11-2012 04:20 PM

It’s not alright to leave your kids in the car by themselves these days, it doesn’t matter what the temperature is. If a person can’t take their kids in somewhere, they need to either have left their kids with a babysitter or not go in themselves. This is just common sense.
It is my firm belief that anyone who would leave their young kids alone in a car shouldn’t be parents, period.
If a child is too young to stay at home by themselves, then they’re too young to be left in a car by themselves.

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#6 posted 01-11-2012 04:28 PM

It’s a shame this has to happen, but I think i’d have gone into the store to have the problem announced before breaking the window.

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#7 posted 01-11-2012 04:38 PM

The article comments, “The outcry for better parenting education or even parent licensing is always loud after reports of these incidents, but at some point we must wonder: is this really about bad parenting, or about poor life judgment in general?”

What ever happened to societal sanctions on bad parents? Taking care of our own. It’s been substituted by the heavy hands of governments that are ill equipped to handle the issue. For example, when I was in Italy, years ago, I witnessed a parent’s public inattention to their baby and I was pleasantly surprised when I saw nearby citizens move towards the subject baby and parent to ‘lend a hand.’ In other words, they got involved and they prioritized the welfare of that baby above their concern for public image (political correctness). The incident wasn’t isolated. I saw it everywhere, concern for proper care of the little ones.

In the case of neglect reported in this article, I think it too is not isolated. Sadly, I think there is a societal psychosis that precedes these types behaviors and no manner of parent education is going to solve the problems we all see until we address the underlying psychosis. How? I don’t know but, less political correctness and fewer lawyers might unleash responsible parents to help those in need just they way it was in Italy! Just a thought.

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#8 posted 01-11-2012 04:53 PM

The reason why people act like this is found in the Holy Bible 2 Timothy 3:1-5, particularly verse 2 “men will be lovers of themselves” and verse 3 “having no natural affection”. But it’s nice to know that it won’t last too much longer because verse 1 describes this period of time we’re in now as “the last days”.
Also 1 John 5:19 shows who is really in control of this world: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”.

Humans have tried for thousands of years to solve mankind’s basic problems of violence, suffering, sickness, and death, and have failed. The only real hope is for God’s government to control matters. See Daniel 2:44 and Revelation 21:3,4.

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#9 posted 01-11-2012 05:13 PM

This is a tough call for me. I love pizza.

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#10 posted 01-11-2012 05:27 PM

What are you/we doing about this?

The intellegence quotient has a mean of 100. It represents all the people’s natural abilities and knowledge. Half the people in the world have IQ’s under a 100. I keep this in mind. Especially in driving. LOL

I knocked on a nieghbors door when I heard kids crying, and the parent yelling, but nothing happening. When she came to the door she asked “why do you care?” Later she cmre to me and asked why I knocked on the door.

When I came out of the vietnam era military I decided to work with kids. The earlier we intervene the better are the chances of healthy survival.

What are you/we doing about this?

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#11 posted 01-11-2012 05:33 PM

Yeah sure… ”Honest Occifer… Ah’ didn’t mean ta leave the kids TOO long. BUT WHYEE did ya’ll have to jack wit ma’ kar?!”

Heavy handed government? Give me a break!

”I think i’d have gone into the store to have the problem announced before breaking the window.”

WTF! Just who would know WHAT store, WHAT restaurant, OR EVEN IF parents were near by! Geez… what is it with this protect the car at all costs mentality. The kids were freezing in -20F temperatures!

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 01-12-2012 04:41 AM

I think the answer is sterilization of the parents. It is one way we can start to cleanse the gene pool. Obviously these “parents” are from the very shallow end of the gene pool.

Obviously a government enforcement division that is WAY to soft on crime. This should constitute child endangerment and child neglect.

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#13 posted 01-12-2012 07:43 AM

This article comes from Sympatico/Bell.ca. Just happens to be my “Home page”. It’s from “Coffee Talk”. Posting Comments is allowed. I posted for about 2 Hours!

The Bleeding Hearts, Trolls, and IQ’s of a Dead Slug where in full force commenting. Vasta (Author above) and 3 or 4 others pretty well COPY theses articles directly from another news source. But they always “Blue” a few words so you can go to the REAL Article. i ALWAYS do that before commenting so I can see what they’ve left out from the Real Article. 95% don’t.

Most people where screaming “We need a law that will protect etc. etc. etc.”.

So to keep this short. ALL that did happen was the Parents were issued a caution, whatever the hell that means and the Childrens Aid Society was notified.

The Police COULD have and in my opinion SHOULD have Charged them! The “Law” or “Charge” was Specifically enacted for this type of situation. It was most certainly put in place for the Protection of Children. It’s called ”Failure To Provide The Necessities Of Life”

Now ask yourself this. You think those 2 Morons are going to be a little Upset about the Cops and all? WHO are they likely to take it out on when they get home?

GMman: Thanks Buddy. We should all be aware of this kind of situation and when we see it happening YOU/WE/ME should do sometning about it!!

LumpyNuts: (REMOVED ON EDIT)

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#14 posted 01-12-2012 02:59 PM

Rick- One assumes that your derogatory reference to me as “LumpyNuts” was because you didn’t like my joke about liking pizza? Give me a break… Everyone thinks this story is terrible. But who gets hurt if a small joke is made in an obscure woodworking forum? Do we really need to be PC even here?

Should I be offended because your signature is disrespectful toward the elderly? I think not.

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