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drfunk

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927 days ago

My friend from work gave me this one – he said his father-in-law dropped it off (and several other planes in a box) in his shop some years ago and he was getting sick of tripping over it.

The blade says Clegg (Uxbridge Rd) which I was able to identify as a British plane manufacturer – but I can’t verify they made infill panel planes. I need to double check the box to make sure there aren’t any other blades in amongst the primitive coffin planes that might be more correct than this, but this sure seems correct. Any panel plane experts out there that can confirm for me?

The wood is definitely beech and the side panels are dovetailed to the bottom. It’s definitely full of rust, but should clean up nicely – I hope. The overall length of the sole is 7 inches and the blade width is about 2 3/8 inches.

The most interesting thing to me is the presence of what looks like a primitive depth adjustment. There has to be a piece missing because it doesn’t work as-is. When comparing with various versions of Norris adjusters I think I may be able to reverse engineer it. It seems to me the slot in the knurled screw should engage a notch in a long-missing piece that would then engage the screw-head of the chip breaker. The slot-notch method is very similar to the Lie Nielsen 62 adjustment method. Has anybody seen anything like this? I’d like to remake the missing part to the original design spec if possible. Was there a provision for lateral adjustment? I might be able to figure out a way to incorporate one.

Another mystery is that there is no screw hole in the wood behind the counter sunk hole in the adjuster. The adjuster was never fully installed!

Thanks in advance to anyone who can shine some light on this mystery plane of mine!


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ksSlim

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#1 posted 927 days ago

Dr—did you get makers info from the planemakers database?
http://www.planemakers-database.com/2008/11/22/clegg-george-dennis/

apparently Preston’s catalogue handled their planes.

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Loren

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#2 posted 926 days ago

Probably the iron and chipbreaker came off another plane.

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racerglen

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#3 posted 926 days ago

Dr. I can’t be any help on this one, but my my..what a neat gift !
It’ll be neat to see just what it is !

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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ShaneA

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#4 posted 926 days ago

Of course I have no idea what it is…but I am looking forward to seeing it after you have cleaned/fixed it up. Looks pretty cool.

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canadianchips

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#5 posted 926 days ago

This is the same:
BM111062 Norris, London A rare Norris #3 smoothing plane. This plane was owned by a user and for inexplicable reasons, he has polished all of the woodwork with fine steel wool so that it is very smooth like glass. The brass has been hand polished but is now starting to repatinate. It looks like the steel body was only lightly cleaned and is quite crisp with a nice mouth. The blade is the original Norris iron. The upper part of the blade is somewhat pitted, which has partially obscured the mark, but in no way affects the lower part of the blade and the cutting edge. The plane is from the early 1920s. The plane is still sharp and ready use. Had it not been cleaned in this way it would be worth $500 more, as it is, it is a steal for a user wanting a genuine Norris. G+ $995
http://thebestthings.com/infill.htm

The only thing is: Yours may have a different blade and chip breaker.
PS: I am NOT and DO NOT claim to be an expert, just trying to help.

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AnthonyReed

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#6 posted 926 days ago

Nice score Doc!

Canadianchips seems to have it identified, no?

i can’t help identify it but i’ll bump your post so maybe you can get a definitive answer.

-- ~Tony

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Loren

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#7 posted 926 days ago

The planes are different. Among the distinctions the Norris has
straight edges while the “Clegg” is boat shaped.

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drfunk

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#8 posted 926 days ago

Thanks all,

I did see that planemakers-database listing. I wasn’t sure how to interpret the information – but Preston carrying them in the catalog makes sense.

I guess I need to set aside an evening to look at all the infill plane listings I can find and see if I can match the knurling on the knobs to anything out there in the wild.

I don’t think it is likely a craftsman made plane for a couple reasons: A. The curved sides. B. The dovetails are very finely made. The fact that the dovetails intersect flawlessly with the curved sides only increases the likelihood that this was made by a professional plane maker.

The depth adjustment appears to me to be an evolutionary dead end.

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Bertha

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#9 posted 926 days ago

This is a really interesting plane and very desirable. The base of the rear tote is unlike any I’ve seen. I’m also not familiar with the iron maker. Of course, Preston is my favorite maker of all time, so I’m very interested in the origin. I’ve also never seen that depth mechanism before. Is there any chance that a long lost peg used to occupy that hole in the adjuster? The blade looks appropriate to the plane. Is there anything on the back of the blade? It’s a wonderful plane.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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jusfine

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#10 posted 926 days ago

Nice looking smoother, it’s not a panel plane.

I have a number of smoothers, none have a similar adjuster. The knurling on the knobs is similar if not identical to one of my Spiers planes, but is not the same as some of the others.

It was common to allow workers to make their own unique “model” for their own use while working in the factories, this could be one of those.

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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canadianchips

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#11 posted 926 days ago

Some more pics that are close:
Top is a spiers, middle is a preston (not a good photo,)
Bottom is another Norris.

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tom427cid

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#12 posted 926 days ago

FWIW when I looked at the remains of the adjuster mechanism it appears that there might have been a post and it has been broken-there appeared to be a coarse texture at that point which might indicate a broken piece.
tom

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