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01-08-2012 06:51 PM

Recently the US Justice Department blocked South Carolina’s law that would require a state issued photo ID to vote citing their belief the law would discriminate against minorities and the poor.

In many places you need a photo ID to do the following:

Purchase alcohol
Purchase tobacco
Purchase certain OTC antihistamines
Purchase ammunition
Purchase a gun
Cash a check

You definitely need a photo ID to pass the checkpoint at the airport as well as other mass transit facilities.

The State of South Carolina has agreed to absorb the cost of aquiring a photo ID as have other states.

What is the real reason you think Eric Holder’s justice department has engaged in this interference at the state level and do you think a court will overturn these actions?

Feel free to add to the list of photo ID requirements you may know of.

Thanks

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell


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#1 posted 01-08-2012 07:05 PM

Ah yes, what was that old saying?

Vote early, and vote as often as you can today.

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#2 posted 01-08-2012 07:32 PM

Welcome back Rocky
Hell, when you go to a doctor or hospital you have to provide a photo I.D., along with med insurance cards

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#3 posted 01-08-2012 07:51 PM

CR1 you are so wrong about us from europe if there is any racist it seems to be you
saying we all are commies bla bla bla
beside I have never had to use photo ID before I cuold vote

Dennis

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#4 posted 01-08-2012 08:10 PM

“Never let it be said that a small group of committed people cannot ruin a wonderful website. In fact, it’s the only thing that ever has.”

—Paraphrasing Margaret Mead

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#5 posted 01-08-2012 09:58 PM

Just doing my part.

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#6 posted 01-08-2012 11:53 PM

I believe that “old Saying” was during the Tammany Hall era of Boss Tweed. He made sure HIS people got re-elected. Sometimes, the same group would show up every hour to vote, all day long.

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#7 posted 01-09-2012 12:12 AM

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#8 posted 01-09-2012 04:33 AM

@NBeener – amen.

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#9 posted 01-09-2012 05:56 AM

“He doesn’t want us to be like the Commies of Europe”

”All of Europe is 100% racist and are deliberately oppressing the poor and minorities because you are required to present ID to vote everywhere in the Euro zone.”

”The remark was not about Europeans…...” OH! I guess Someone else wrote (Sorry) typed the above statements. DUH???

“Dennis needs to find a sense of humor. He can’t even detect tongue in cheek.”

HOW ....do you detect tongue in cheek, on the Internet if there is no ;-) Or …LOL… Or some indication that it is in Fact ”tongue in cheek”? Face To Face? Different Ball Game!

Perhaps Lawyers just make these types of assumptions based on the way They “Practice” Their “Profession”? Either that, or they THINK the Rest Of The World are Telepathic Mind Readers.

Or. As you said after Blowing Away, someone elses Post …. “Maybe it’s my Black Humour” that caused him to Abandon His Posting.

Your Comment in the Posting a day or so ago having to do with Downloading Pictures was Totally Wrong. Or was it just more ”tongue in cheek”?

How about ”Veiled Sarcasm with the Back Door, Wide Open. Just In Case.”

Neil: On The Money!!

I imagine it’s just a coincidence that THIS Post came on at the same time Mike (NO offence Mike) also Posts about Photo ID for LumberJocks. I have not yet read it.

Rocky: In Reply to your initial Question ” South Carolina’s law that would require a state issued photo ID to vote citing their belief the law would discriminate against minorities and the poor.” A Load Of Horse Dung!!

Thank You: Rick

PS: I will NOT be watching this Post for ANY type of a Reply. Nor will I be participating any further.

The sooner LJ’s Bans ALL Political and Religous Posts from this Site the Happier I’ll, and Perhaps Others will be!!

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#10 posted 01-09-2012 07:32 AM

Recently the US Justice Department blocked South Carolina’s law that would require a state issued photo ID to vote citing their belief the law would discriminate against minorities and the poor.
In many places you need a photo ID to do the following:

Purchase alcohol
Purchase tobacco
Purchase certain OTC antihistamines
Purchase ammunition
Purchase a gun
Cash a check

You definitely need a photo ID to pass the checkpoint at the airport as well as other mass transit facilities.
You’re only partially right.
In the last three months I’ve purchased 2 bottles of egg nog, a bottle of Jack, and a bottle of rum, no ID asked for. I’ve also bought ammo without ID, and I’ll be heading to the bank with my paycheck tomorrow where they will cash it without an ID and no questions. I rarely bother carrying it on me and just list of the ID number when I get pulled over and have never received a ticket for not carrying it. I also recently took amtrak from Syr to NYC and didn’t need an ID, neither did the 8 youth and two other adult leaders who were with me. In the last 17 years I have voted in every election that I could and have never once provided an ID. Personally I fail to see the issue with needing one to vote.

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#11 posted 01-09-2012 02:52 PM

As a non-US resident, I usually give these topics a wide berth, but today I can contribute a few facts – just for comparison.

In South Africa, everybody over 16 is required to have (and if not actually required, is quite stongly advised to carry) an ID document. Part of the process of obtaining the ID document includes providing fingerprints. You absolutely need to show your ID document to vote plus you also get marked with ink that is visible only under ultra-voilet light so that you cannot vote twice. People will walk for miles and stand for hours in a queue to have the privilege of casting their vote, a right that was denied to many before 1994 (and you should have seen the queues that year in particular)

In Australia it is compulsory to vote – you get fined (albeit only about $30) if you do not. Being out of the country does not excuse you, you are required to either go to the nearest consulate or register for a postal vote. I am not entirely sure whether it is compulsory to show photo ID at the polling booth, but drivers licences are commonly asked for and provided since they have your address which makes it easy for the voting officer to check the voter’s details without having to shout them out for all to hear.

And for those who choose not to vote, remember that if you didn’t participate, you really shouldn’t complain about the outcome. With compulsory voting in Australia, those who really don’t like any of the candidates still have the choice to post either a blank or spoilt ballot. Then, at least, they have the right to winge like the rest if us.

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#12 posted 01-09-2012 03:16 PM

I have to ask; What problem is this law intended to solve? I have not heard anything about rampant voter fraud impacting outcomes in elections. It seems against the Conservative grain to impose laws without a significant imperative to do so.

-- John

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#13 posted 01-09-2012 05:01 PM

To the OP – there is nothing wrong with showing an ID at the polling place.
I live in a pretty rural community – and while I know people that do not have a drivers license, I know of NOBODOY other than kids, that has NO form of identification.

The argument against this is that it represents “UNDUE HARDSHIP” seems a pretty thin argument.

I wonder why there is such vocal opposition?
You have to have ID to get passed TSA at the airport, and the plan is to require TSA at busses and trains as well.

You really cannot function in 21st century society without any ID, that you would have to show it at the polling place is not a big deal.

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#14 posted 01-09-2012 05:17 PM

I wonder why there is such vocal opposition?
This is my only question.

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#15 posted 01-09-2012 07:49 PM

CR1: “you are required to present ID to vote everywhere in the Euro zone”
Dennis: “I have never had to use photo ID before I could vote”

Dennis is correct about Denmark. You do not need ID to vote. You can simply say your name, date of birth and maybe address and it will be checked against the local registry. (I imagine one could commit a fraud by giving neighbor’s name or go from place to place and vote multiple times as long as those are the names of real people. But this is Denmark. Who would do that!)
In some Euro countries even less is required to vote.

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