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muleskinner

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844 days ago

The futility of political and religious arguments among ideologues.

-- Visualize whirled peas


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reedwood

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#1 posted 844 days ago

good point. I woke up this morning, got my coffee and sat down to read and look at some nice projects at LJ and came across this horrible thread in the forum about a Jesus america. First time I heard that one.

Horizontal mike:
“If you say “I’ll Pray For You” to an agnostic or atheist YOU should get the SAME feeling of insult and abuse! That is like telling the person that he IS IN HELL.”

As an Atheist who enjoys researching and discussing religion and it’s history, I hope people don’t think we are all like this guy.

I also enjoy politics but I learned along time ago, name calling and being the loudest and meanest doesn’t win arguments or friends. It just makes you look loud and mean. You lose everytime, even if you have a valid point.

This guy comes off so vitriol, I’m afraid to comment on his thread as he will go to my profile and attack me too.

Why bother anyway. He isn’t interested in having a constructive conversation. Eventually, people like this grow tired of yelling at people and realize how bad it makes them look and hopfully change their approach to make their point. This guy has a long way to go.

.....And at Christmas time too! Geez! Maybe he got coal in his stocking for being such a dick. Good job Santa.

Happy New Year LJ!

-- mark

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StumpyNubs

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#2 posted 844 days ago

After days of arguing, er… I mean having a spirited political discussion… how about a 10 minute break for some light humor and something about woodworking?

Sorry, I couldn’t help it. I’m a natural born peacemaker, and nothing makes peace like a good ol’ woodworking video!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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reedwood

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#3 posted 844 days ago

Good suggestion, Great video!
why do I feel like I’m waiting to be verbally run over by a biker dude with a hate boner?

-- mark

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William

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#4 posted 843 days ago

You make a well known point about why one should not discuss politics or religion (I also usually throw in sex to make three no-nos) in an open setting.
I, for one, absolutely love a religious or political discussion. The choice word here being, discussion. That is the root of the problem though, and exactly why I don’t participate in these type of posts much on Lumbrjocks. It is almost impossible to have these type discussions without them being lowered to arguments, with name calling, insults, and purely childish behavior.
When the coffe lounge/non-shop talk forum was opened back up and I seen a few political topics pop up, I was anxious to see if maybe we could have a few mature political discussions here. I am sure most of you already know that my anxiety quickly turned to disappointment at what I saw unfolding.
In the past couple of weeks, I have made the mistake of posting a couple of time in these type discussions. I think I’m going to stop making that mistake, get back to the wood shop, and enjoy myself.
Happy New Years everyone!

-- http://wddsrfinewoodworks.blogspot.com/

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IrreverentJack

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#5 posted 843 days ago

That is a great cartoon. I wonder if there is a cutting board with that design.
Mark, Many of the posts that Mike was responding to have been removed. -Jack

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redryder

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#6 posted 842 days ago

That is a great cartoon. I have a couple of relatives I can use that on….............

-- mike...............

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Gene Howe

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#7 posted 842 days ago

BTW Stumpy, Many thanks for the WS video.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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miles125

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#8 posted 842 days ago

The problem with the optical illusion drawing is its suggestion that all political views are somehow equally valid. Which means the difference between Switzerland and Zimbabwe’s government and society is one merely of sheer dumb luck.

There’s a name for this sort of “every view is equally valid” worldview that produces in people what looks like apathy on steroids. Nihilism.

-- "The way to make a small fortune in woodworking- start with a large one"

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Gene Howe

4808 posts in 1934 days


#9 posted 842 days ago

Excellent analogy, Miles.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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poopiekat

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#10 posted 842 days ago

The cartoon is an excellent commentary on Perception. As in ‘nobody’s perception is wrong, and nobody’s perception is right.’

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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shinju

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#11 posted 842 days ago

well guys, this place is for enjoying the woodworking world, helping each other out and so on, not a forum for political views and talks, as for the name calling and soforth, no matter where you go there is always something. but we are all grown ups here, no reason why we cant act like it. thanks shinju…. hey poopiekat a big fan of frank l. wright also….

-- enjoy, be well and enjoy life with all around you

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StumpyNubs

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#12 posted 842 days ago

I could stand on both sides of that cartoon and argue with myself all day long. I’m never wrong!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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shinju

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#13 posted 842 days ago

you have to start worring when you start to lose one side of that conversation…. shinju

-- enjoy, be well and enjoy life with all around you

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