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Forum topic by grego posted 12-31-2011 08:51 AM 1129 views 0 times favorited 12 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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grego

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12-31-2011 08:51 AM

Topic tags/keywords: plow plane marquetry box

A question for any box-building neanders/galoots out there:

I would like to apply marquetry to the top of a 1/4” plywood or MDF panel, put balancing veneer on the bottom, and then glue the panel in grooves in a box lid.

I have 1/4” and 5/16” blades for my LV small plow plane. If I groove with the smaller blade, the panel won’t fit (because of the veneer on either side.) If I use the larger one, there is a gap.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Greg


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#1 posted 12-31-2011 09:50 AM

Put a double layer of veneer on the bottom, groove at 5/16”
and glue the panel in the groove. MDF is sold at 1/4”, most
1/4” ply is thinner.

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#2 posted 12-31-2011 06:03 PM

Hi everybody,
First Happy New Year

I have no experience with plow plane, so I wander :
is it not possible to make a first groove and then change slightly the fence setting to enlarge the groove making a second pass?

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#3 posted 12-31-2011 08:37 PM

Sylvain, you are correct. Greg, this is a common issue faced by plow (plough) plane users when they face a rabbet needed that they do not have the proper sized blade for. You first cut a full width rabbet with your plow plane and then adjust the fence so that you next series of cuts makes the rabbet to the desired width.

Good Luck

-- Mike

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#4 posted 01-01-2012 01:58 AM

Happy New Year, folks, and thanks for the rapid replies!
Loren, I would never have thought of the extra veneer layer – smart idea, and I think I will use it for some applications.

Sylvain and Paratrooper: I had to immediately go to the basement and have a go at your procedure on some scrap. Success on the second attempt! It’s a bit fiddly because of the tiny fence adjustment, but I think practice will make it second nature. I wonder if it would be a little easier with a narrower blade, so the second slice is a bit wider and easier to judge. In any case, you solved my problem and taught me a new woodworking skill. Thanks!

Greg

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#5 posted 01-01-2012 05:00 PM

Hi Greg,

For tiny adjustment, you might experiment with this :

put one or more layer of sticking tape on the fence (total thickness = the two veneer layer thickness +) or put two veneer layer on the fence with spray adhesive;

make a first groove;
pull out the sticking paper from the fence;
without changing the setting of the fence, make the second pass to enlarge the groove.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#6 posted 01-01-2012 09:18 PM

Sylvain – thanks, that’s a great idea. Going to try that later today when I get a chance!

Greg

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#7 posted 01-01-2012 11:20 PM

Afterthought.

You might do it the other way.

First make a groove, than add sticking tape; enlarge the groove.
If it is still not wide enough, add more tape and make another pass.

Contrary to the first method where the widening goes away from the reference edge, in this second method, of course the widening goes toward the reference edge.
So take care to have enough material left.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#8 posted 01-02-2012 09:52 AM

Okay, not so successful with the sticky tape idea – it compresses.

Instead of that, I used the successfuly made groove to guide me in setting the fence for future grooves. First, set the fence so the blade is pushed against the left side of the “guide groove” and make the first groove pass in the workpiece. Then return to the guide groove and set the fence so the blade is pushed to the other side.

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#9 posted 01-02-2012 10:45 AM

Nice that you have found a method that works for this particular case.

Let’s try to imagine a more general procedure.
If you determine the width of the material to be left between the reference edge and the groove, let’say 1/3”, you could use a 1/3” wide shim between the fence and the blade to set up the fence and then make a first groove with this setting.

Let’say you want to widen the grove by 1/32, then use the same1/3” shim together with a 1/32” shim to set up the fence and make a second pass.

This way you don’t have to try to measure the distance between the fence and the blade, you just have to squeeze (without denting them) the shims between the fence and the blade.

Is this method workable? I have no plow plane to try it myself.
Have a nice day.

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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grego

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#10 posted 01-03-2012 09:37 PM

Sylvain, I think that might be workable. I won’t be able to check it out for a few days.

I’m picturing a set of reusable shims. Each one has one half “naked” and its width is the desired distance from reference edge to groove, and the other half is veneered on either side.

Even simpler if the desired width from groove to reference is 1/4” and the veneered insert is also 1/4” (which is actually the current ptoject.) Then a piece of 1/4”ply becomes the first shim, and the actual veneered insert becomes the second one.

By the way, you need to get a plow plane of some sort. They’re lots of fun to talk about, but even more fun to use!

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#11 posted 01-04-2012 12:02 AM

Show us photos when it’s done!

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#12 posted 01-04-2012 01:16 AM

Stumpy, I will but it will be a while. Unfortunately real life is interfering with my hobby in the form of food-on-the-table type work.

I’ve been thinking someday I might put a beginner’s blog together showing my humble efforts at hand-tooling a box. I’ve had so many hints and tips from Lumberjocks and others along the way, it’s maybe time to share some of what I’ve learned from folks like Sylvain.

But, as I said – it’ll be a while!

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