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Forum topic by HorizontalMike posted 12-31-2011 12:36 AM 1655 views 0 times favorited 32 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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HorizontalMike

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12-31-2011 12:36 AM

Topic tags/keywords: religion governance

The U.S. Constitution requires: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As I post on Lumberjocks I have noticed a vocal few who insist upon throwing THEIR religious practices/comments at others as if those others were less deserving of of their own right to religious freedom (including the right to not believe) or even their own right to free speech.

With THAT in mind, should ANY individual have the right to hurl religious dogma upon others here on LJs OR require their government to adhere to any specific selective/selected dogma?

For reference, MY own belief system mirrors this gentleman’s opinion regarding religion and governance.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."


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TCCcabinetmaker

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#1 posted 12-31-2011 12:59 AM

You really are aimed and bent towards instegating fights aren’t you.

-- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them.

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HorizontalMike

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#2 posted 12-31-2011 01:12 AM

Stay on topic Mr 247 posts in 15days.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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dakremer

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#3 posted 12-31-2011 01:23 AM

......noticed a vocal few who insist upon throwing THEIR religious practices/comments at others as if those others were less deserving of of their own right to religious freedom (including the right to not believe) or even their own right to free speech.

While some are voicing their opinions (as are you), I doubt you have any authority to say that those individuals think the others are less deserving of an opinion. Because someone gives their opinion (that differs from yours) doesn’t mean they dont think you deserve to have an opinion. You are no better – you throw your opinions at everyone as well. I’ve never seen someone give an opinion and FORBID someone else from giving their opinion. Your statement makes no sense, and has no bearing on anything relevant. Just another chance for you to strike up an argument/drama. Its funny – you say you are completely against politics and religion on LJS because of all the drama it creates and how it “it takes away from the woodworking.” Yet, you participate in them more than anyone. And now ur on this kick where you are trying to start all of these threads to cause problems on LJs to prove a point…..or to get politics/religion finally kicked off LJs. Seems pretty backwards. Seems like its not the religious/political threads that are the problem – its people like you. You can respond how ever you wish. I will not open this thread again.

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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pierce85

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#4 posted 12-31-2011 01:31 AM

No, TCCcabinetmaker, I think Mike would much rather NOT engage in any political or religious fighting here on LJ. But given the content and tenor of the vocal right-wing members of LJ and their hijacking of the Non-shop Talk forum for their political and religious garbage, Mike has decided to engage this hijacking in protest. Until the political and religious crap is gone from LJ, I fully support Mike’s efforts.

LJ has become uglier because of the right-wing politicking that has escalated since the Non-shop Talk forum was instituted. Sometimes fighting fire with fire is necessary. I understand what Mike is doing and I hope it works, i.e., the complete ban on political and religious topics.

Yeah, not a popular view but so what.

By the way, great video Mike! I hadn’t seen that one before. Why do the British always understand Americans better than Americans?

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HorizontalMike

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#5 posted 12-31-2011 01:53 AM

Doug,
I am talking about Freedom OF Religion/Relious Beliefs” AND THAT MEANS FREEDOM FROM HAVING SOMEONE THROW THEIR DOGMA DOWN YOUR/MY THROAT!*

If I said I’ll come by and plant a burning cross in your yard for you so that YOU will convert, YOU would find that abusive and an insult.

If you say “I’ll Pray For You” to an agnostic or atheist YOU should get the SAME feeling of insult and abuse! That is like telling the person that he IS IN HELL (a purported bad place where christians believe everyone but they themselves live) and only YOU are not are NOT in this Hell.

How can you say this is not an abuse of the 1st Amendment by these so-called christians?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Jimbo4

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#6 posted 12-31-2011 02:21 AM

HALLEEE – LOOOO – YAAAHH !

-- BELT SANDER: Used for making rectangular gouges in wood.

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#7 posted 12-31-2011 03:26 AM

Good grief, how pathetic! Get back in the shop.

-- Bill, Florida

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HorizontalMike

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#8 posted 12-31-2011 03:44 AM

BILL! YOU have NO projects at all! How pathetic AND hypocritical of you to criticize me when you have nothing!

I guess YOU were not paying attention Bill!

At least This month in MY shop I have done the following:

Click on images for LINK

CURRENT PROJECT IN PROCESS:

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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TCCcabinetmaker

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#9 posted 12-31-2011 06:58 AM

Mike you really do need to learn how to talk to people.

Freedom of speech is a legal right, however in a privately run establishment, you choose to obey the rules when you walk in the door. Same with a privately run forum, you choose to obey the rules when you join the forum. I doubt calling people hypocrites, cussing every third post, trying to stir up fights with posts deliberately aimed at causing fights is obeying even the spirit of the rules.

At least the right wing people you keep referring to offer to not block as long as you speak in a respectful manner. I’ve yet to see a truely respectful post out of HorizontalMike.

-- The mark of a good carpenter is not how few mistakes he makes, but rather how well he fixes them.

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#10 posted 12-31-2011 07:11 AM

No matter what it is I’m against it.

-- Tom D

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#11 posted 12-31-2011 07:32 AM

Sorry Mike I just don’t get it. If I say I believe in God and you say you don’t . I don’t understand why what others believe is so upsetting to you. I believe your entitled to believe what you want just the same as I am.

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StumpyNubs

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#12 posted 12-31-2011 04:44 PM

After days of arguing, er… I mean having a spirited discussion… how about a 10 minute break for some light humor and something about woodworking?

Sorry, I couldn’t help it. I’m a natural born peacemaker, and nothing makes peace like a good ol’ woodworking video!

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#13 posted 12-31-2011 06:03 PM

The video guy is quite the blow- hard. Now I have a better sense as to how much self-righteous blather can fit in a single intro. And this guy “understands” Americans? Laughable.

Yes, dogma-hurl away. It puts people in context so I can Ignore with greater clarity.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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pierce85

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#14 posted 12-31-2011 07:10 PM

I’m sorry to hear that, Smitty. Even if we disagree ideologically, I do appreciate your woodworking skills and expertise, and your willingness to help other woodworkers. You were very generous and helpful with my workbench question a few days ago and that was much appreciated.

I’m still a beginner in all of this, but someday I hope to have sufficient skills and knowledge to perhaps return the favor and provide a helpful suggestion for a woodworking question or problem you might have. Because of your generosity toward me, I would never think of ignoring you.

Honestly, I hope our ideological differences won’t put wedge between us and our mutual love for woodworking. You’re a good guy.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#15 posted 12-31-2011 08:03 PM

Pierce- I’ll help anytime, no ill will whatsoever! Glad I was able to contribute. And my focus will be going back to woodworking. There’s precious little idea exchange possible on the off-topic forum anymore; too much ‘noise.’ see you around.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive

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