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12-29-2011 04:30 AM

This post is meant for those in the US, but others may find it interesting.

I am going to lay out my thoughts in this matter and welcome any others that wish to add their opinion and thoughts. No one will ever be blocked from expressing themselves. Now I have not called anyone any bad names or used any profanity, but expressed my feelings. Please keep your replies civil.

Being a conservative/moderate, which comprises about 75% of the US population, I will share a few insights I have gleaned in my 70+ years.

I have nothing against liberals, who actually believe in their way of thinking. This is mainly due to their education from grade school all the way through college.

College makes students more liberal due to the liberal slant the majority of teachers inject into their courses.
Simply put for the most part students just assume what the teachers are saying is correct and accept it at face value. Usually once out in the real world they will see the truth though.

Further – Professors: Just As Liberal, Or More Moderate?

It’s the Far Left Radicals that I have a beef with. They want to destroy our country and turn it into a vision something unrealistic and unattainable. A Liberal utopia where everyone has an equal share of everything. That sounds like Communism to me, and we can all see how that has working out.

Like Winston Churchill once said – ”It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

I have complied a few tactics that Far Left Radicals use in their cause.

The following are some irrefragable evidence and facts for my argument. Backed up with sources and/or examples.

Far Left Radicals mention the big lie all the time.

The Big Lie”, It’s true. The Far Left Liberals use it all the time. Some examples:

George Bush is a moron. Do you really think a moron can graduate from Harvard AND Yale?
Obama is a genius. Then Obama has an equal chance of be a moron since he also graduated from Harvard (but not Yale)

The rich need to pay their fair share!

Well, the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes. Taxes paid by the top 10% in 2009

That 70% would cover Social Security, Defense and Medicare and Medicaid with 8% left over to cover unemployment and other entitlements.

Republicans are racists. The biggest big lie. Lets just stick with 3 examples for each party.

Republicans:
Abraham Lincoln – Abolished slavery
Ulysses S. Grant – 1866 Civil Rights Act and 1871 Civil Rights Act
Dwight David Eisenhower – Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1960

Democrats:
JFK – Voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act
JFK – Opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. after becoming president.
Robert Byrd – Member of the KKK – Longest-serving senator and the longest-serving member in the history of the United States Congress

Further: National Black Republican AssociationExamining Black Loyalty to Democrats

And don’t forget that Martin Luther King, Jr was a republican.

Read up on George Wallace and Orval Eugene Faubus

Here’s an amusing one that I see a lot of: FOX Lies. Most of the media in this country (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the Far Left MSNBC) are to the Left in their reporting, except for FOX.

They have their faults also, but on the whole offer a voice to both sides of the topic at hand. When someone says “FOX lies” and they are asked for an example they usually pause for a second with a blank look and reply “FOX lies”. They’ve had years to get together and settle on one example and can’t do it.

It’s the Far left Radicals who are out to really hurt this country any way they can.
There are about 1 in 20 people that also think in the same far left/liberal way, as this Gallup polls show:

It’s also a good thing that less than 22% of this country think of themselves as liberals or this country would be more in debt than it already is, due to their tax and spend philosophy.

Looking at the above chart you can see just how far out of the mainstream liberals are.

To sum it up the Far left Radicals, after reading this will probably reply with some more of their standard evil right wing conspiracy rhetoric and invalid justifications for their way of thinking. The other 95% will see it for what it really is though.

They even have a rule book to tell them how to think and act. Rules for Radicals by Saul D. Alinsky. Written over 40 years ago.

When the Far left Radicals can’t come up with a valid response they will start calling names and try to shout you down. They oppose any one that disagrees with them and will gather in a group and make a fuss so that no one else can be heard. Then they claim victory!

One last word.

Conservatives and Moderates would rather teach a man to fish so he can support himself.

on the other hand

Liberals would rather give him fish to keep him dependent and thus get his vote.

Isn’t it obvious by now how Democrats get most of their votes? The more dependents, the more votes.
That and union money. They take union money to get elected, then make laws favoring unions which in turn will get more money to give them. ad infinitum…
Who ends up paying for this? Everybody else!

That is basically their strategy.

That government is best which governs least. – Thomas Paine

The last word: Why Are Conservatives Happier Than Liberals?

-- I never started a project I couldn't screw up.


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#1 posted 12-29-2011 05:11 AM

The problem PineMan is the left really does confuse their education and intelligence with wisdom.

You are a good man for not blocking anyone…I know you are not concerned with others opinions and let your own stand by the light of the day.

I hope that civil discussion will come out of your post but the deer slayer will be out to get you with his threats, name calling and bullying. Stand proud an hold your ground sir.

I am sure a pseudo thread with a very similar name is to follow as well. Sad sad little people they are.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#2 posted 12-29-2011 05:38 AM

One can usually gauge the accuracy of a conservative’s post by the condescension and/or vehemence with which he is attacked.

And, RockyTopScott, lets not confuse an education with intelligence…. or wisdom. :-)

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#3 posted 12-29-2011 05:41 AM

The biggest problem with liberals and conservatives is that they are not nearly as far apart as they think they are.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#4 posted 12-29-2011 05:44 AM

Charlie, did you start Mardi Gras early this year?

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#5 posted 12-29-2011 05:56 AM

Scott, all I’m saying really is that we tend to get too wrapped up in the polar opposites. Yes, that person who is to the far left on every issue is quite different from the person who is all the way to the right on every issue. But, in reality, very few people actually fit that description. Most of us fall somewhere in between. We might take the more liberal view on one issue, and a conservative view on another.

If we could discuss individual issues in a civil manner, without mentally forcing others into a specific mold that we have designed in our own minds, we would all be better off. That’s the biggest reason our government is stalled, IMO. Each party demonizes the other, sticks the “conservative” and “liberal” labels on them, and refuses to find the common ground.

For example, I’m a registered Republican who happens to be pro-choice, in favor of gay marriage, and I’m all for allowing women into full combat positions. On the other hand, I think government spending is out of control, I’m pro- gun ownership, and anti- minority set-asides. So does that make me a liberal or a conservative? If you can figure it out, let me know. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#6 posted 12-29-2011 06:10 AM

It is usually not the issues that divide us Charlie as much as it is the solutions and the meaning of words.

For example, referring to illegal immigrants as undocumented workers is like saying a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#7 posted 12-29-2011 06:20 AM

I really couldn’t care less whether you call him a “drug dealer” or an “unlicensed pharmacist”, as long as he ends up in the “high-security exit-limited hotel”.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#8 posted 12-29-2011 06:22 AM

I am still thinking about women in full combat positions. Got any pictures?

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#9 posted 12-29-2011 06:32 AM

Now I see what you mean about the meaning of words. :-)

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#10 posted 12-29-2011 06:33 AM

Charlie – You are correct. That’s why only 5% of the population is Far Left. The Very vocal minority.
The 75% who are either conservative or moderate are typically the silent majority. It’s mainly the far left takes the rest to task and with them it’s always their way or the highway. There is no in between.

I’m like you in all but one respect. Gay marriage. Not because god says it wrong, but because it’s not viable. If two gay guys were stranded on an island for 100 years that would be the end them. If it were a male/female couple at least there is a chance of finding their children. It’s impossible for anyone to argue with that reasoning. Marriage is between a man and a woman. That being said, I have no problems with civil unions. Semantics, huh?

Another thing that makes me different from conservatives is that I’m agnostic when it comes to religion.
As long as they don’t try to push their version of it on me, it perfectly fine with me what people believe.

-- I never started a project I couldn't screw up.

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#11 posted 12-29-2011 06:51 AM

Wow, I think I am finding the woodworkers that have the same views as I. For a while I thought I must be losing my mind and no one feels the same way as I do. Thanks for speaking up guys!

-- Patrick, Helicopters don't fly. They beat the air into submission.

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#12 posted 12-29-2011 07:06 AM

HawkDriver – There are a lot more than you think. Silent majority and all that.

I remember being taken to a Bar in Barstow when I was a kid. It was off the freeway to the west and on the right side of the street. It had an old west bar that came around South America from some place on the east coast. It even had a few bullet holes if I remember correctly.

I took this picture when I was there because a friend had never seen the sign. It’s right after you get in the I-40 from the I-15. THe very start of the I-40.

-- I never started a project I couldn't screw up.

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#13 posted 12-29-2011 07:35 AM

I drive by that sign every day on my way to work at the Barstow-Dagget airport!

-- Patrick, Helicopters don't fly. They beat the air into submission.

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#14 posted 12-29-2011 08:10 AM

I largely have to disagree completely with your post and that is cause I don’t think that anyone really fits into any kind of clear demarcation and the attempt to make it so is half the problem that we have. In seminary I was too conservative for many while only 30 miles away I’m one of the most liberal and I don’t feel that I’m either but rather somewhere in the middle. As I think the biggest issue is that no matter where anyone actually stands they like to think of themselves being in the middle so I could be wrong about where I actually stand. Like Charlie I kind of pull from both sides of the issue, though I’ll argue that a pot dealer isn’t an issue and doesn’t need to go to prison.

Pineman, did you ever think that the lack of viability could be the best reason to give gay marriage full rights? In a world that is quickly heading to overpopulation I’ve often pondered if the surge in homosexuality isn’t some sort of biological trigger to help prevent overcrowding, though made less effective due to modern science. Only a thought but something I’ve wondered about. By giving them full rights you open the door for them to adopt from all the kids in social services who need care and nurturing.

-- --Rev. Russ in NY-- A posse ad esse

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#15 posted 12-29-2011 12:13 PM

WOODNET in the making:(

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