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sawedoff

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12-25-2011 12:01 AM

I am looking at getting two vises for a workbench. Was hoping to get some suggestions on some good vises that won’t break the bank. I’m hoping to get a bench made for as little as I can without sacrificing quality

-- still wet behind the ears.....


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#1 posted 12-25-2011 02:08 AM

”... to get some suggestions on some good vises that won’t break the bank…”

Hate to break the news but there ain’t no such thing. There are however good means of work holding that are relatively inexpensive. Pick up Christopher Schwarz “Workbenches: from Design & Theory to Construction & Use”, there is a ton of good info inside.

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#2 posted 12-25-2011 03:23 PM

Watch vintage tool sales for a wooden screw and nut, with luck you can eventually find one for much less than new ones sell for, and use if for a leg vise. Leg vises are straightforward, pretty easy to build, and have loads of force.

You also might be able to use a veneer press screw (I haven’t tried one myself), or a metal vise screw from lee valley or tools for working wood. The metal screws require more turns to move the vice chop and may also be oily/greasy that you don’t want on the wood you’re working.

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#3 posted 12-25-2011 03:34 PM

I think I know the perfect vise for you. It’s great quality, and it’s cheap (under $50). I reviewed it in one of the episodes of my woodworking show.

Here's the link.

The review starts at the 4:45 mark.

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sawedoff

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#4 posted 12-25-2011 03:42 PM

thanks guyss…...... i’ll check out the video. I have also contacted some members on some moxon vises.

-- still wet behind the ears.....

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#5 posted 12-25-2011 04:06 PM

A lot depends on what style of vise you want. Some set on top of your work bench and are bolted down. Some are integrated into your workbench (and are easier to install when making the bench). There are other variations.

I’m quite pleased with this vise – -

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21523&filter=vises

As with most Rockler products, it’s best to wait until they come on sale. I bought this vise when my bench was still under construction and built it in.

I particularly like the quick release feature.

They market it as a side vise, but I mounted it as an end vice.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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sawedoff

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#6 posted 12-25-2011 04:30 PM

I’d like to build a bench with these kind of vises…..... I hope it is ok to post this thread.

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/55794

One other question….. Can you add these type of vises after a bench is built? I’m thinking not. I’m getting my lumber this week for the bench

-- still wet behind the ears.....

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sawedoff

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#7 posted 12-25-2011 07:43 PM

Hey Rich… That actually might be what I’m looking for and not really at a bad price. Forgive my ignorance on these things but are they limited in size of board that is mounted to it? So if I bought two of these could I use it on the side (~22”) and one on the front probably 18” wide?

Merry Christmas everyone

-- still wet behind the ears.....

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#8 posted 12-25-2011 07:43 PM

If you are referring to the wagon vise on the end, you usually have to make that as part of the original bench design. I bet you could cobble something onto an existing bench, but it would be very difficult to do. If you have an existing bench, Veritas makes a devise that fits into one of the dog holes and acts like one of those vises you want.

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#9 posted 12-25-2011 07:45 PM

If you are refering to the chop (board fastened to the vise jaw) you can make it any size you like. But the longer it is, the thicker it should be, and the more likely it is to wrack when you are clamping something off center. Of course that can be rectified by inserting a scrap of wood the same thickness as the workpiece you are clamping on the other end of the vise.

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#10 posted 12-26-2011 01:36 AM

Glad you liked the 3 day bench build Sawedoff and thank you for the nice comment. The face vise was very easy to mount. The only even slightly difficult part was to mortise the front of the bench for the vise’s back jaw. I just set the vise on the edge of the bench, traced the outline, and routed away. A little shallow at first and then to final depth. Take your time and recheck all the measurements and it’ll come out fine. The front of the bench then becomes the back clamping surface.

If you can afford the wagon wheel vise, it’s great for working on flat surfaces, though a face vise with dogs in the chop would be very similar. I use the two vices about equally.

I don’t know that you could retrofit an existing bench for the wagon wheel vise very easily. If installing during the initial bench build and in a laminated top, it was easy to leave an end off one of the laminations. The hard part in a retrofit would be getting smooth sides for the dog block to slide in. It wouldn’t matter on the bottom of the bench, but it would be difficult on the top. Benchcrafted's web site has some great resources and videos aiding the installation.

Bubba made a good suggestion in recommending one of Christopher Schwartz’s bench building books. While his two books are quite similar there is enough unique information in both to get benefit out of each. The thing about Schwartz’s books are that he explains the reasons for design elements and that might help you avoid building a bench that you later wish you had done differently.

Good luck with your build.

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Sylvain

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#11 posted 12-26-2011 06:26 PM

have a look at the splendid blogs of CartersWhittling

about wooden vise

http://lumberjocks.com/CartersWhittling/blog/25851
http://lumberjocks.com/CartersWhittling/blog/25854
http://lumberjocks.com/CartersWhittling/blog/26662

-- Sylvain, Brussels, Belgium, Europe - The more I learn, the more there is to learn

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#12 posted 12-26-2011 10:06 PM

sawedoff – -

I use this vise as an end vise, but the width of the vice does not go all the way across the end of the bench. Look at the picture in my workshop section. The wood piece attached to my vise is 17” long. In theory, you could use a much longer piece of wood, but if the board is too long, you may have some flex at the ends.

If I were to use a longer board, I would probably also use a thicker board (or stiffer board) to minimize flex. Of course, that will reduce how far you can open the vice. The metal piece that holds the board is about 9” across and I have about 4” of overhang on each side. I don’t see 4” of overhand as a problem with a 6/4 piece of oak. In fact, I think you could go a little further.

FWIW – I think one could add this vice to an already built bench, but it would be easier to incorporate it as you are building the bench.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#13 posted 12-26-2011 10:53 PM

A leg vice does not suck, badly or otherwise, and is inexpensive. Only requires a bench vise rod, and those won’t break the bank.

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#14 posted 12-26-2011 11:05 PM

My mistake was buying one that doesn’t have a pop up bench dog (to save money), would like to have one.

-- Don, Royersford, PA

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#15 posted 12-26-2011 11:27 PM

A Moxon Vise is nice – you can “visit” one at Benchcraft.com.. They are not difficult to make either. Capacity is great and working height also.

-- TNJames

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