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blackspring

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981 days ago

Greetings all -

I’ve recently upgraded from my cheapo RONA saw to a Ridgid R4512. The difference of course is like night and day.

Watching some old episodes of NYW last night, he had a 2 part series on setting up your table saw correctly. I had to pause the video and head out to the garage to check mine.

Using a square, I ran one leg in the guide groove on the table top and measured the distance to the fence at the front and the back. At the back, there was a 1/16 of an inch difference. I tried to find some simple adjustment screws, hit the manual and found the only way to adjust the fence was to loosen the 4 allen bolts that surround the clamping handle. I loosened these off, aligned the fence with the table ‘groove’ on the right of the saw blade, clamped it down and tightened things back up. Releasing the clamp, I rechecked and it was still out. Tried again, this time not clamping it down, but just holding it firmly in line with the table top groove, and it’s still out.

Has anyone had any luck getting this thing perfect? Should I worry about 1/16th of an inch at the back? In my mind it should* be able to be adjusted perfectly. The blade is the same…out a slight bit at the back, so tonight I have to find the adjustment screws to adjust the blade horizontally.

Thanks in advance – hopefully someone has been through this. I’m not even sure if a professional fence would attach the rail that Ridgid uses…..

Mike


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Lifesaver2000

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#1 posted 981 days ago

I have a procedure I use for this type of thing. It works for me and is pretty simple. Someone else may have an easier way to do it so I’ll be watching.

First of all, what I would do would be lock the fence down at any convenient location on the saw. Next, assuming the far end of the fence is 1/16 inch farther from the blade, I would then clamp a long, straight board firmly against the back of the fence.

Next, loosen the adjustment screws, and place any convenient, appropriately sized shim between the clamped board and the fence. A stack of paper works well. Then, hold the fence firmly against the clamped board and tighten the adjustment screws on the fence.

I use this procedure frequently to fine tune stop blocks, and most recently to get the fence on my panel cutting jig fine tuned. It eliminates a lot of the error of trying to eyeball or hold something where you want it.

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crank49

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#2 posted 981 days ago

I would only add that the very first thing to align, before you worry about the fence, is the saw blade absolutely must be aligned with the miter slot.

And, the only way to do that is to get inside the back of the cabinet and adjust the arbor assembly where it is bolted to the bottom of the table. There are some small set screws on top of the table that also help to lock the arbor assembly in place.

Also, this particuar saw has a hard time staying in alignment when the blade is at different heights. And you can’t adjust squat when the arbor is in it’s fully raised position.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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blackspring

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#3 posted 981 days ago

Thanks LS. I’ll try clamping a board down with a shim.
The frustrating bit was when I loosened the screws off, and clamped it down, my measurements were spot-on. I tightened things up again, but when I released the clamp it was out.

The shim method may work. I’m wondering too if a small shim/bit of cardboard may help if I stick it in the assembly where the fence attaches to the slide on the front of the saw. Not sure if you have the same saw, but the 4 allen heads attach to the sliding bit – maybe a shim in there, top left would insure it stays put….I guess you have to spend 1K or more to get a saw that’s dialed in perfectly.

Cheers-

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blackspring

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#4 posted 981 days ago

Thanks Crank -
That’s frustrating. In hindsight I’d have saved a few more bucks for a professional saw. I thought this was it, and it is like night and day compared to el cheapo I was running for years.

I checked the blade as you said, last night and it too is out of parallel to the miter slot. I just checked my purchase date and I still have 60 days to return. Don’t get me wrong – I understand any saw will need to be dialed in regardless of price, but if I can’t get this thing square, that’s a serious deficiency. Especially if, as you say, the saw goes out of alignment with the simple changing of blade height.

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Bill White

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#5 posted 981 days ago

Just a point.
I set my fence about 1/32” away from the back of the left miter groove (left side of the blade) to give me some protection from binding and potential kickback. Just a note…...I ALWAYS use the splitter and guard unless cutting dados.
Fine tuning takes some time, but some saws just won’t tune well.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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blackspring

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#6 posted 981 days ago

Hey Bill – Thanks for your comment.

I’m completely green with this. If you set the fence 1/32 out on one end, does this not affect your cut?

I’ve been running the saw with the riving knife (except of course with dados) but no guard. I’ve been re-thinking this for safety and dust reasons (likely another thread topic that’s been discussed to death ;).

Thanks

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crank49

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#7 posted 981 days ago

Please don’t take it wrong. I’m not out to put anybody’s equipment down. I bought the same saw about 20 months ago, from Sears. Mine is the Craftsman version, Model 21833, that’s made in the same factory from the same design drawings by the same workers, but painted red and silver instead of orange. I think I paid $409 for mine and close to $450 with Tennessee tax. I have made a lot of stuff on it in that time and have learned to live with its quirks, but I wish I had held out for a better machine as well.

One other point, when you get the blade alligned with the miter slot, then recheck the fence. You actually want the fence to be very slightly skewed away from the rear of the blade, no more than .015” or about 1/64”, to prevent binding. I’ve heard people say no more than .002” out, but I wonder what type of wood they work with. I think a board would grow more than .002” from the heat of cutting.

OOPS! I see Bill beat me to the point.

I see you asked if the skewed fence would not affect the cut. I suppose it could technically, but not from a practical standpoint. Really, only the part in front of the blade should have an effect. In a perfect world I guess the fence could be split with the back half stepped over a little while the front stayed perfectly parallel to the blade. But most folks just skew the whole thing slightly.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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blackspring

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#8 posted 981 days ago

Geez – now you’ve got me thinking. HD said they’d take the saw back sans-box, as is, as long as I’m within my 90 days. I don’t want to give up on it, so I’ll try to dial it in some more and see how it shores up.

I’ve spent a lot of money in the past on cheap tools to just ‘get the job done’, but have learned you get what you pay for most of the time. These tools are slowly being replaced. I may just be loading this up into the trailer and hitting the forums here for ‘table saw reviews’ ;). Thanks again for your feedback.

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blackspring

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#9 posted 980 days ago

Hey fellas -
Just thought I’d post a progress report. Canadian Tire has a sale on right now, so I picked up a digital caliper – something I’ve wanted for a while and this was a good excuse to buy one – reg $40 on for half price.

Anyway – I’ve spent the past 3 hours fine tuning things on the saw and took Lifesaver’s advice and shimmed the back of the fence. I put a 3/4” piece of hardboard in the miter gauge slot and then clamped the fence to it with a shim at the back. Tightened everything up and measured with the digital gauge. The difference between the front and rear is .064” which I think is pretty good, compared to what it was. Measuring from an arbitrary fence position to the miter slot, the front reads 5.774” and the rear, 5.789 – I can live with that!

I then got the saw blade adjusted..the difference from the front and back of the blade to the miter slot edge is .027” again, I think this is pretty good.

Thanks for all the feedback here.

Mr White – I put the anti-kickback pawls and blade guard on too… going to force myself to build good habits ;)

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jeff

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#10 posted 980 days ago

sounds like your new saw is now working out for you.i too have the rigid 4512 and its my first.i also had to spend some time with adjustments.i had some frustrating moments but the owners manuel and reviews here on LJ’s was very helpful.i have been using it for several months now and it has remained accurate.Jeff

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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blackspring

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#11 posted 979 days ago

Good to hear Jeff. Did you end up making your own zero clearance inserts or buy the one from LeeCraft?
One crazy thing in the manual was the reference to putting the blade ‘washer’ on backwards! I read it 3 times and thought it had to be a mistake….I think they should revise the manual a bit!
Mike

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jeff

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#12 posted 979 days ago

blackspring, i have not attempted to make a ZCI yet but want to try.yes i agree the owners manual could use a slight revision. jeff.

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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phomer

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#13 posted 587 days ago

I was just trying to put the riving knife back on my saw and the release lever will not lock down on it.
Any ideas of what may be wrong?

-- David Gardner, Natchitoches, LA

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bbasiaga

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#14 posted 587 days ago

I have the saw one step down from this one. Its the 4510, a portable/contractor. Coming from my skill saw with straight guide its excellent. And it folds up so i can fit it in my garage. I think it has the same fence as yours. I noticed mine jumped in and out of square when clamped down until I got the tension just right on the clamp mechanism. Under tightened and it would slip around. Over and it seemed to cant one way.

-Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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daviddoria

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#15 posted 572 days ago

crank49 – Do you suggest loosening the set screws that go through the top of the table before adjusting the blade alignment?

Thanks,

David

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