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12-20-2011 04:06 PM

This alternative same-subject topic has been started in order to address those who have instituted their own exclusive Right wing banter on the above subject but have been blocked from participating.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."


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#1 posted 12-20-2011 04:38 PM

DIRT SAID: I thought it most amusing that Mikey posted on his rant: Post 30…
...So basically he admits that he comes on these sites to be the biggest possible PR – – K in the world, until he is finally blocked by the thread owner that says ENOUGH!. He then blocks all other viewpoints and starts his rant on the LJ feedback thread to scream about how one sided discussions shoudl be banned. I am not a big fan of blocking and flagging but here you have someone who prints out black and white that they SOLELY stir trouble rather than engaging in any debate or discussion and asks the forum to be terminated.

I will use YOUR same tactics right back at you and yours. Doesn’t feel good when it flies right back in your face huh?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#2 posted 12-20-2011 05:37 PM

CR1 SAID: So Mike blocks everyone one who disagreed with him, starts a new political blog, and that way, has no opposition to his weird rants…
Well it might appear that he learned how to conduct dialog from bomb throwers O’Donnel and Shultz. Which is a very sorrowful state.
God bless his little heart…
...What can you do when people refuse to behave like human beings insisting on constantly being deliberately offensive and diversionary?...
It’s a sad pathetic state as person is in when a she is so mentally imbalanced that she is incapable of distinguishing between herself and some other person or persons whom she won’t ever even meet, such as a politician or talking head?

Well CR1, it sure sounds like this is YOUR confessional. You must have looked in the mirror this morning. I am so sure YOU never threw out any “bombs” on LJs,... yeah… ‘shore…, and Santa Claus exists too huh…

So how does it feel being feed your own droppings? Need seconds?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#3 posted 12-21-2011 05:11 AM

Dirt SAID: I’m CERTAIN that Mr. Blow never was teased in high school with that name….. (dripping sarcasm)
...This guy is a hard core democrat – but he is starting to cry foul over how the democrats treat the black demographic while claiming to be their champions….

Why would YOU cry foul when Mr. Blow appears to use the Republican Karl Rove Playbook? Tactic #4: Go Negative, Then Cry Foul What… only Right Wingers get to play THAT way?

Dirt SAID: Something most Right wingers point out looking at the welfare state for the past 30 years….that despite a TON of money and ever expanding efforts, things are not better now than they were in the 60’s

This simply NOT true Dirt. Productivity (what YOU are calling the “Welfare State”) for outpaced the growth in real wages. The greedy rich (read Republicans) drove the economic machine into the ditch.

”...striking feature of this picture is, of course, how much the two series have diverged since the early 1980s. Output per hour of work in 2010 was 87% higher than in 1980, while real hourly compensation was only 38% higher.”

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#4 posted 12-21-2011 07:40 AM

damn shame that people can’t discuss things with a degree of civility———
tom

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#5 posted 12-21-2011 03:36 PM

So true Tom, so true…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#6 posted 12-21-2011 03:43 PM

They are just a bunch of dedicated Republicans and tea baggers, and they tow the party line regardless of fact, and can’t face the reality of the mess that GW Bush created, and want to blame it all on Obama..

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#7 posted 12-21-2011 06:15 PM

DIRT SAID: Funny over in leftland[SIC] – AKA Mikes Rant – the Welfare State is considered to be the working class. The Welfare state are those living in government housing, on Medicaid and foodstamps[SIC].
Those programs have gotten larger every year for 40 years, adding school lunches during summer, school dinners as well. Regardless where one stands, we see continuous growth in spending on handouts, which has not translated into wealth for the disaffected.

And I suppose you don’t recognize the growing wage disparity vs productivity as a cause. What a joke you are for ignoring this simple truth.

DIRT SAID:...Of course the left just assumes evil corporations chain people to the machines and make them work 16 hour shifts with one bathroom break, but truth and liberal Dogma aren’t the same thing…

But these “sweat shops DO EXIST, they are overseas and they ARE a U.S. responsibility.
However, the Far Right Wing-Nuts, such as yourself, choose to ignore this for increased profits AT ALL COSTS.

DIRT SAID:Those of us that have worked in NON-government positions know this, but principals and park rangers – arent[SIC] that versed in production and economy of scale, beyone[SIC] a wiki definition of the terms or a visit to the AFLCIO website.

Funny how Dirt forgets to respect educators, ESPECIALLY SINCE his own wood shop equipment has been donated/welfared to him from HIS OWN father-in-law, AN EX-HIGH SCHOOL SHOP TEACHER!

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#8 posted 12-21-2011 07:01 PM

Geez CR1, your piece on robotics and technology over time is the most thoughtful and original piece I have observed coming off of your keypad. Not going to get all mushy-eyed, as I do not care for your ”debate-at-all-costs even if you have to debate yourself” style, but you just had a good moment of clarity.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#9 posted 12-21-2011 07:55 PM

Except for this lovely little self centered, condescending piece of self important crap

Not everyone is going to succeed at college. In fact the vast majority of people are not terribly smart. They are not terribly beautiful either. What do people do who are unfit for higher education can’t be doctors, lawyers, pharma’ salesmen, bond traders etc?
The world only needs so many used car salesmen and pretzel cart vendors.

Wow..if only everyone in life could aspire to become self important, condescending, loudmouthed, ambulance chaser…

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#10 posted 12-21-2011 08:48 PM

But Brad for once, CR1 is correct here, though very much rude and condescending. As an educator, I have always known that only ~25% of all jobs (in US) require a college degree, ~60% require some training but LESS than college, and the remaining ~15% of jobs are the OJT (on-job-training) type of positions.

What CR1 FAILS to address is that we really do need to focus on helping those less intelligent/capable rather than the smart cookies out there. Where CR1 errs is when he/she, basically makes an inference that these less intelligent/capable folks should be of NO concern to those with the skills/intelligence/beauty. THAT is where CR1’s argument fails. To leave such a large proportion of the population (the majority according to CR1) without ANY assistance, training, jobs, etc. WILL result in civil disruption and regime change if those needs are not addressed.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#11 posted 12-21-2011 09:03 PM

Help how? Hand out or Hand up? That is the major difference RE: Liberal/Conservative Democrat/Republican…. it is not in the pervue of Gov’t to guarantee everyone wins, let alone everyone plays on a level field…it is not possible fiscally, phisically or morally…it just is not.

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#12 posted 12-21-2011 09:12 PM

I took debate back in the day, and our professor said “If you insult the person you are debating, you lose”.
There’s truth in that, just beacuse you disagree doesn’t mean you have to be a d*.

-- I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.

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#13 posted 12-21-2011 09:20 PM

But vernonator, it really IS government’s job to do JUST THAT! Government does for all, what individuals can’t do for themselves. And indeed it IS physically, fiscally, and moral for government to care for its citizens. THAT is its job and purpose for existing.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#14 posted 12-21-2011 10:31 PM

Dirt SAID: My take though is that there is a push that all K-12 education has to be “College Prep”
And while yes highschool should prepare you to go to college, everybdy there in school with you isn’t going to make it into college wheter that reason is, Brains, Money or Interest.

On this we agree. I would have copied that entire post but suffice it to say I agree with its entirety. While I worked from inside the educational system, that does not mean that I could effect THAT kind of change. Prepping “everyone for college” is, in essence, an entire corporate-like economy of its own. The message from about the 1980s and beyond is “Don’t Rock The Boat.” The corporatization of higher education has been a driving force behind the elimination of vocational/trade-school curricula in high schools. Unfortunately, that means that the low skilled have even fewer opportunities for job training programs unless they can come up with the $$$ for those “for-profit” specialty trade schools. High school shop actually used to provide a REAL service back in the 1960s and before.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#15 posted 12-22-2011 02:06 AM

I don’t see much content that matches the title. I opened this thread because one, the OP isn’t a rude condescending type who answers in twenty paragraph diatribes, and two there isn’t 1086 replies I would have to look through.
I mean sheesh it’s almost as bad as the post on hand plane dreams, there is no way I could find the time to read all of it. I do have a life, job and family.

I do want to answer the question though. Do we need a new president. I would say yes, with a small caveat. It would have to be somebody not currently in the running. I didn’t vote for Obama last time, but I will probably have to this time. Votes, and elections do mean something. I make good money, not a great deal of money, but good enough to save some every year and still afford the things that make life comfortable. I don’t make enough to ever think that the republican party is working for or representing my or mine.

As for the above posts, thanks Mike for making some of them available. I wouldn’t even try to read that other president thread.

-- Mel,

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