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sandhill

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991 days ago

I am about to insulate and dry wall my new shop I am using standard insulation for the walls and ceiling and 5/8” Type X fire rated sheet rock for sound and fire protection. I have determined I will need about 14,000 BTU’s for heating and cooling does anyone have a good solution that wont break the bank? Its about 700 SF with 10’ ceilings, detached building and I am looking for an inexpensive way to heat and cool the space.
Thanks

-- Bob Egbert AKA Sandhill http://www.sandhillwoodworks.com/


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rance

4130 posts in 1795 days


#1 posted 991 days ago

How do you feel about using a wood stove for heating? As a creator of wood scraps, I’d see that as one possible solution.

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Belg1960

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#2 posted 991 days ago

I would look into a split ac system, (http://www.residential.carrier.com/products/ductfree/highwall_cml/ravseries.shtml) there very efficient and totally programmable. As whats affordable thats for you to decide. I would invest money wisely and save over the long haul on the efficiency of the units. Also for the insulation look into the High density fiberglass, it will improve your wall insulation from 3.2 to as high as 4. Take the time to create an air seal with a layer of 3-4mil plastic sheeting which will really help with air penetration. Penny wise dollar foolish at this point.

-- ***Pat*** Rookie woodworker looking for an education!!!

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wolflrv

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#3 posted 991 days ago

If you’re not opposed to a window unit, there are some good solutions that have both A/C and heat in the same unit for around $500-700 that should handle 14k BTU. I currently have just a window A/C unit, but once it dies I plan to replace it with the combined unit. I insulated and walled my shop this summer and it has made a vast improvement on being able to work in a civilized environment!

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Frankie Talarico Jr.

353 posts in 1990 days


#4 posted 991 days ago

use a wood stove for heat. A/C….for what? if it’s necessary I’d do the window thing too. But to keep costs down I would use a box fan in my face. With 10’ ceilings you might want a ceiling fan pushing that air down.

Maybe heat this year because you’ll lose a whole season if you don’t.
A/C next year if it’s viable.

I can’t wait to make decision like you are…..... Lucky Lucky ( or just plain old hard work)...lol

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Howie

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#5 posted 991 days ago

In a shop I used to have I bought a used propane furnace out of a double wide. Only cost me 100 bucks and worked great. Otherwise if it was me I’d consider the woodstove with a blower(no treated lumber) or a pellet stove. Just my $.02

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patron

13020 posts in 1975 days


#6 posted 991 days ago

here is the best choises in heaters i know

i have wood stove
(they are great
if you have firewood available)
and a back-up gas heater
the vent free type are easy to instal
they just have a hole thru the wall
and a ‘hubcap’ outside
(and yes a ceiling fan or two)
but the ceiling gas hanger type is good too

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/category_heaters-stoves-fireplaces?cm_mmc=Housefile-_-3DAY1FGC_120511-_-STANDARD_consumer-_-NavLink2&cm_lm=allheartojo@dishmail.net&state=NM&hotline=&market=

stay warm
happy holidays !

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ryansworkshop

35 posts in 1001 days


#7 posted 991 days ago

Wood stove. No monthly bill

Proper location of vents and windows for cooling. Use air mover style fans. Possible old blower motors from forced air heaters.

Keeps your costs down.

-- A small shop has it's pro's and con's. Never big enough, but easy to clean.

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Bill White

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#8 posted 990 days ago

I have oil filled elec. radiators in my insulated shop. Safe, adjustable, use one or two depending on the temp.
I put in two celiing fans with wall mounted speed control. Here in Misissippi it doesn’t get that cold so the rads work well. No glowing elements or flame to worry about. They were not expensive.
I thought about AC, but the dust concerned me. I just open the windows and turn on the fans.
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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sandhill

2119 posts in 2558 days


#9 posted 990 days ago

I just had a guy come to give me a price on the insulation and sheet rock WOW! he wanted 4K to do it with one coat of primer. I politely said thanks but I can’t afford that much. I estimated the material to be at about $800.00 right to the finished and painted walls and ceiling. I have to see what the Electrical panel is I have two cks at the maim one 80 AMP and one 50 AMP I hope the 80 AMP is going to the Shop now because I will not have to do more then change the panel out side. I was going to put in about 5 or 6 240VAC 30 AMP out lets and 10 120VAC 20AMP outlets but I am not sure what I am aloud to put in for a 50 or 80 AMP service panel. Then there is the HVAC or what ever I end up using. so thats another 30 AMPS.
It looks like I will be doing all the labor myself, the ACE hardware down the road rents a sheet rock hoist very reasonable $40 a day I think.
As for heat I may just go with a pellet stove and as I can afford it I will get an under window AC unit I should not need much in the way of AC.

-- Bob Egbert AKA Sandhill http://www.sandhillwoodworks.com/

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ryansworkshop

35 posts in 1001 days


#10 posted 990 days ago

If you are going to burn wood, I’d steer away from pellets. They own you are far as price, delivery, supply.

Firewood is all around. I heat my home, shop, etc. with wood. Other than chain, oil, fuel and time, never paid a dime. I burn 6-7 cords per year. I mill another cord for here in the shop.

Oh yea, never run out of kindling either.

-- A small shop has it's pro's and con's. Never big enough, but easy to clean.

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ryansworkshop

35 posts in 1001 days


#11 posted 990 days ago

One thought on combustion issues.

No matter what you have in terms of ignition, the wood stove is no more likely to ignite than the spark generated from any electric motor.

Worked 20+ years in the refineries. Saw two dead from blow ups. Always, the spark from a tool motor did the lighting up. Not the heat from units or smoke pens a few yards away.

Wood stoves are safe shop heat.

-- A small shop has it's pro's and con's. Never big enough, but easy to clean.

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JamesVavra

286 posts in 1950 days


#12 posted 990 days ago

My workshop is a detached building with a small “man cave” upstairs. I put in a dual-zone, mini split heat pump system. I have something like 15,000 BTUs of heat and 12,000 of cooling in the shop and 11K/10K upstairs. I installed it myself and then had my AC guy pull a vaccuum and charge the lines. All together, it was around $1300, but a single zone unit would be a bit cheaper: http://www.grunaire.com/12000HR.html

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doyoulikegumwood

384 posts in 2626 days


#13 posted 990 days ago

I know this may sound silly but what kind of heat do you have in your home. Only reason I ask is if it’s boiler you could bury a run out to the shop. This is how My plumber friend often does it for his customers.

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reggiek

2240 posts in 1904 days


#14 posted 990 days ago

I’ll second and third the recommendation for a wood burner. You can find them fairly cheap…also you can find used ones on Craigslist. It is a very economical way to heat – plus you create alot of nice fuel (I still have to buy some stovewood now and then….but worth it). As for A/C – I would go with the window unit….or they have small portable units.

If you want to go green – you can look into both passive or active solar units. I am testing a passive cooling system that DennisGrossen suggested – it also has a heating idea. Basically, you bury pipe in the ground and add a passive solar fan to push the cool air into your shop. I built a small one first to see if it would provide that much cool air…it did. Soon I will add a much bigger one to see the effects. I am also considering a passive solar heated water system to use for heat….basically it runs sun heated water through copper pipes in the floor of the shop.

-- Woodworking.....My small slice of heaven!

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Gary

7113 posts in 2067 days


#15 posted 990 days ago

google “barrel stove kit” I use a double in my shop.. 40×50 does the job…cheap

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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