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Forum topic by jeff posted 995 days ago 1232 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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jeff

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today i applied Mini-Wax pre-stain conditioner per instructions,then applied Cabots wood stain per instructions but the result showed some minor blotchyness.for best results Cabots recommends 2-4 coats with sanding in between and this was the first coat.i pre-sanded down to 220.so my question is am i going in the right direction with this?.i didn’t think to test on a piece of scrap,a rookie move.thx.,Jeff

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.


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Bill White

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#1 posted 995 days ago

There is an inherent blotch problem with some woods. Pine is one of ‘em. I use a shellac seal coat, but since the Min Wax stuff is on it, you’ll have to work thru by staying with the Cabot’s instructions. If you don’t get past the blotch, you might want to use a dye such as Trans Tint in the actual finish as a “toner”.
What will your final finish be? Are you going for a high gloss finish?
Before ya get too far into the project, you might want to step back and work on a test piece
Bill

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#2 posted 994 days ago

Bill, Thx for the reply.the pre-stain conditioner has been applied to the whole project,but i only stained the shelves so far.not sure on the final finish.i will continue on per Cabots instructions and see how this works on one of the shelves.this is a small hanging shelve project with only two shelves so if i had to start over it wouldn’t be so bad.by the way it did pass the wife test.thx for the advice.

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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kizerpea

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#3 posted 994 days ago

yep..good luck…l have never had any luck with staining pine. 1 sure fix is to paint it…how long after the conditioner did u apply the stain… because pine is so porus it soaks in heavy in some spots. the last time i did that i applyed the stain right after the conditioner while the pors were still full

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jeff

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#4 posted 994 days ago

kizerpea,i applied stain within 30 minutes.directions stated apply within 2hrs.the pre-conditioner soaked in immediately,i did not have to wipe off any access.overall it does look nice.again i wasn’t so sure how much blotchyness there should be.the pine does look pretty but i think i will choose another type of wood for my next project.onward…thx…jeff

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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doyoulikegumwood

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#5 posted 994 days ago

Jeff when staining pine I have always had the best luck using a 4 part system but sense you already use the pre stain we can adjust it to 5.

Step 1 pre stain (optional) I say optional in case anyone else wants to try this you already did this so go with it.

Step 2 use a normal stain this will color the wood and helps out later on. (this is usually my step one)

Step 3 use a good shellac on the project and let it cure.

Step 4 use the same color gel stain. gel stain is nice because you can control where you are leaving the color during the wiping off part thus evening out the blotching.

Step 5 clear coat with your top coat of choice.

I know this seems like a long process but in the end it renders very beautiful results.
Hope this helps I know it isn’t a simple solution someone may have a simpler solution but I finish lots of furniture and folks dont pay me for simple

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jeff

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#6 posted 993 days ago

doyoulikegumwood, thx for the help.i will give this a try.i have had to work so i have not made into the shop yet. Jeff

-- Jeff,Tucson,Az.

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camps764

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#7 posted 987 days ago

Good lord I’m glad I found this post. I was going to use the same process on my reclaimed pine farmhouse table I just built. I had a big ol’ can of the minwax stuff waiting to go.

I would be curious to hear everyone else’s process like Doyoulikegumwood’s for staining Pine.

Seems like this is a reoccurring question on a lot of wood forums (by a lot I mean two that I read). Might be good for someone to write a how to in the blog section once a verdict is reached for Pine :)

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