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868 days ago

Fellow Americans, particularly people of faith, I am curious. What are your values?

Recently some Western governments, including the US, have begun diplomatic efforts to push African governments to decriminalize homosexuality:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16068010
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Nigeria-gay-rights-crackdown-worries-US-20111202

A recently prominent U.S. politician views this as this is just the most recent example of an administration at war with people of faith in this country:
http://www.rickperry.org/news/statement-by-gov-rick-perry-on-obama-administrations-use-of-gay-rights-to-make-foreign-aid-decisions/

My view is, bigoted repression and persecution is bigoted repression and persecution. I see no significant distinction between repression and persecution based on sexual orientation and repression and persecution based on race, gender, or religion. I like to think that the defining American values is that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. So I vehemently disagree with anyone that suggests that what consenting adults to with themselves behind closed doors somehow makes them ineligible for all the rights and privileges that I enjoy.

-- Greg D.


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#1 posted 868 days ago

One apparent threat (not sure whether it was stated or implied) was the US might reduce or eliminate aid to countries that don’t go along. That might appeal to your fiscal side (lower govt spending).

-- Greg D.

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#2 posted 868 days ago

Sounds like it’s the guy with the most weapons or biggest hammer. Just like always

Cr..that was what Roosevelt intended when he said “Walk softly and carry a big stick”. Which is why the US thinks it has to stick it’s nose into everyone elses business. I don’t think it’s necessary in this day and age. It’s time to take care of the American people, on our shores.

Greg, I agree.

Would we be in a recession if we weren’t p&^& away 10 billion a month in Pakistan,Afganistan or Iraq?

-- Life is good.

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#3 posted 868 days ago

I’m 100% with you, Greg, on the human rights aspect. What adults do in their bedrooms is their business. And I just don’t believe anyone chooses to be homosexual any more than they choose their gender or skin color.

On the other side of the coin, it’s a very thin line between standing up for human rights, and meddling in other countries’ affairs. My biggest concern is that, in general, it seems like the U.S. is a lot more likely to take a stand for human rights abroad when we have a financial stake in the region in question.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#4 posted 868 days ago

I’ve always wondered just what “basic human rights” really are? Who defined them? Are they written down somewhere? Does everyone agree on them?

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#5 posted 868 days ago

Sawkerf, Here is a good definition/description/history of basic human rights . -Jack

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#6 posted 868 days ago

what Charlie said

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#7 posted 868 days ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghwe4TYY18

Merry Christmas

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#8 posted 868 days ago

Charlie +10

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#9 posted 868 days ago

Greg, The people decrying this as ’a war on people of faith’ are the same homophobic bigots that lobbied African governments to execute their people for being gay. It could be said this new ‘diplomatic effort’ is only undoing some of the damage caused privately by extremist American religious groups. -Jack

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#10 posted 868 days ago

I would guess that most people running for POTUS wouldn’t put stuff on their web site unless they thought it would appeal to a constituency that was in some way more important than the constituency it might offend. Ron Paul is a notable exception it seems. At any rate, I am definitely a member of the offended constituency in this particular case, and I’m curious to hear a bit from those on the other side of the issue.

It seems to me that different people have different ideas about the meaning of “basic human rights”. In some cases it seems that people agree on the general notion but not on all the details. Personally, I think we are still in a process of figuring out some of the details. In other cases it seems that someone has completely perverted the general idea for the specific purpose of supporting their own agenda.

-- Greg D.

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#11 posted 868 days ago

every single evil little person on this planet, has their own agenda and make no mistake about it

the more a person is educated, the greater the faith they have in mankind. Science removes doubt, opens doors, has proven again and again that the earth isnt flat, its actually a very round ball, very small and as per Carl Sagan, a very pale blue dot.

Tolerance is “faith”………..in something bigger then us.

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#12 posted 868 days ago

Hey Jack,

It seems to me that the people decrying this as a war on people of faith are slandering an awful lot of people of faith. What little I remember of my upbringing as a Catholic was that while a great many things were sinful, not many were of a nature such that there was a desire to make them illegal also. I suspect most people who value religious freedom can understand that it can only be preserved if the standard for determining behavior that should be illegal is very different from the standards that distinguish behavior that is pious from that which is sinful. I suspect most people of faith can accept this also.

The next bit is deciding when private behavior of consenting adults comes anywhere close to the standard for behavior that should be illegal.

-- Greg D.

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#13 posted 868 days ago

Hey Moron – indeed I do have my own agenda. but at the moment it says, “go get some sleep”! And tomorrow I’m makin’ some box joints…

-- Greg D.

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#14 posted 868 days ago

tomorrow, after a good nights sleep

the earth will not be “flat” when I open “my” eyes.

whats next, a pic of the “arc” with the koala bear on it, munching down on eucalyptus leaves ?

jesus has always taught, as his disciples have taught, that the enemy is the man who looks back at you, when you look in the mirror.

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