War on traditional American values?

I disprove of any one pushing any one else around unless I’m doing the pushing – or getting paid from it. Then it’s all good.

So I’m sort of a fiscally conservative, libertarian, liberal with definite despotic tendencies.

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One apparent threat (not sure whether it was stated or implied) was the US might reduce or eliminate aid to countries that don’t go along. That might appeal to your fiscal side (lower govt spending).

-- Greg D. -- the price of freedom is tolerance

I don’t know how I feel about the US meddling in the internal affairs of other nations.

Actually I know how I feel. It’s really none of our business.

While I’d love to see a world where everybody held hands and sung Koombyaahh it’s really just us shoving out morals down other people’s throats.

What if the people of a nation like Paupa New Guinea had the muscle to impose their morals on us. they take children into their beds to teach them how to make love. Are promiscuous as hell and generally pay little attention to the name of the person siring or mothering children.

Who says they are wrong or right? Who says we are?
Who gets to say?
Sounds like it’s the guy with the most weapons or biggest hammer. Just like always.

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Sounds like it’s the guy with the most weapons or biggest hammer. Just like always

Cr..that was what Roosevelt intended when he said “Walk softly and carry a big stick”. Which is why the US thinks it has to stick it’s nose into everyone elses business. I don’t think it’s necessary in this day and age. It’s time to take care of the American people, on our shores.

Greg, I agree.

Would we be in a recession if we weren’t p&^& away 10 billion a month in Pakistan,Afganistan or Iraq?

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I’m 100% with you, Greg, on the human rights aspect. What adults do in their bedrooms is their business. And I just don’t believe anyone chooses to be homosexual any more than they choose their gender or skin color.

On the other side of the coin, it’s a very thin line between standing up for human rights, and meddling in other countries’ affairs. My biggest concern is that, in general, it seems like the U.S. is a lot more likely to take a stand for human rights abroad when we have a financial stake in the region in question.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

I’ve always wondered just what “basic human rights” really are? Who defined them? Are they written down somewhere? Does everyone agree on them?

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Sawkerf, Here is a good definition/description/history of basic human rights . -Jack

what Charlie said

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sghwe4TYY18

Merry Christmas

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Charlie +10

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Greg, The people decrying this as ’a war on people of faith’ are the same homophobic bigots that lobbied African governments to execute their people for being gay. It could be said this new ‘diplomatic effort’ is only undoing some of the damage caused privately by extremist American religious groups. -Jack

I would guess that most people running for POTUS wouldn’t put stuff on their web site unless they thought it would appeal to a constituency that was in some way more important than the constituency it might offend. Ron Paul is a notable exception it seems. At any rate, I am definitely a member of the offended constituency in this particular case, and I’m curious to hear a bit from those on the other side of the issue.

It seems to me that different people have different ideas about the meaning of “basic human rights”. In some cases it seems that people agree on the general notion but not on all the details. Personally, I think we are still in a process of figuring out some of the details. In other cases it seems that someone has completely perverted the general idea for the specific purpose of supporting their own agenda.

-- Greg D. -- the price of freedom is tolerance

every single evil little person on this planet, has their own agenda and make no mistake about it

the more a person is educated, the greater the faith they have in mankind. Science removes doubt, opens doors, has proven again and again that the earth isnt flat, its actually a very round ball, very small and as per Carl Sagan, a very pale blue dot.

Tolerance is “faith”………..in something bigger then us.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

Hey Jack,

It seems to me that the people decrying this as a war on people of faith are slandering an awful lot of people of faith. What little I remember of my upbringing as a Catholic was that while a great many things were sinful, not many were of a nature such that there was a desire to make them illegal also. I suspect most people who value religious freedom can understand that it can only be preserved if the standard for determining behavior that should be illegal is very different from the standards that distinguish behavior that is pious from that which is sinful. I suspect most people of faith can accept this also.

The next bit is deciding when private behavior of consenting adults comes anywhere close to the standard for behavior that should be illegal.

-- Greg D. -- the price of freedom is tolerance

Hey Moron – indeed I do have my own agenda. but at the moment it says, “go get some sleep”! And tomorrow I’m makin’ some box joints…

-- Greg D. -- the price of freedom is tolerance