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Forum topic by BerBer5985 posted 12-07-2011 09:50 PM 1073 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-07-2011 09:50 PM

I have some boxes I’m working on in which I’d like to put grooves in for the box bottoms and the best thing I could find without having to set up a router for stopped cuts and what not was this:

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,46168,46176&p=47818

But I wanted to ask if there’s a good way to do it with a hand tool. I was looking for a good excuse to buy like a plow plane or something but it seems like I could only cut full length grooves with it which would show a dovetailed box. I’ve been eyeing the veritas small plow plane and suaully I hold off on buying a tool until I find a good use for it. Setting up a router seems like a pain and the particular box I’m working on now has oak and brazillian cherry and I’m afraid that router bit might rip up the wood. I’d hate to do that on box I just spent several hours on dovetailing by hand.

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com


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#1 posted 12-08-2011 12:54 AM

Stopped dados by hand are best done by using a saw to cut the sides and chisel to work most of the waste. Finally, use a router plane to define the bottom. It is helpful to drill a hole to the depth of the dado at the end where the dado terminates. This gives the saw a place to work into. You square off the hole with a chisel when done. Sounds complicated, but it is not. It works pretty quickly. Good Luck!

-- Mike

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#2 posted 12-08-2011 01:30 AM

Any straight bit should work, and there will be less material to chisel out compared to a slot cutting bit. Woodcraft sells some nice undersized bits for plywood.

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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#3 posted 12-08-2011 03:59 AM

I think I found a good link
http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AStoppedGrooveinaDovetailedBox.html

Seems a router plane might be worth picking up here soon.

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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#4 posted 12-10-2011 02:29 AM

That link shows the guy had it almost right. He should have chiseled out the dado longitudinally as opposed to trying to pick it out perpendicular to the groove. That is why it had a bunch of blow out as seen in one of the pics. Use a longish (if you have one) chisel the same width or just slimmer than the dado and lever out the majority of the waste. Then use that new router plane you are looking at!

Good Luck!

-- Mike

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#5 posted 12-10-2011 02:39 AM

Should I chisel along the marked line straight down all the way across like doing a mortise before I try to chisel the waste out, or just do like you said following the scribe line and then come back with the router plane. I did take the plunge and buy the router plane though! Haha I figured this won’t be the only project it will be useful. I’m trying to convert more and more techniques to hand tools because I really enjoy quiet, non dustmaking, woodworking, plus I’d rather be working on a project instead of setting up power tools. I bought a dovetail jig and dovetail saw at the sane time and started to learn how to handcut dovetails and I haven’t touched the jig bit one time. I was able to pick up the saw and have most of the dovetails done before I had the jig set up correctly. On my want list of hand planes is the LN rabbet block since I don’t have a shoulder plane and the veritas small plow plane amongst a much longer shopping list. Haha

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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#6 posted 12-10-2011 02:44 AM

By the way, I’m trying to picture how you would use a saw when you’re limited by the length and depth of the cut?

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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#7 posted 12-10-2011 03:14 AM

Or, you could try a small router plane, I have one from Lee Valley and they work great!

-- Randy "You are judged as much by the questions you ask as the answers you give..."

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#8 posted 12-10-2011 03:52 AM

Here are some pictures I found that show how this guy does what I am explaining. Interesting choice in saw, but any saw will work here. A fine carcass saw or even a dovetail saw will work. Obviously bigger dado = bigger saw. Anyway, these pictures show how it is done. The website for these pictures is:

http://norsewoodsmith.com/content/making-dados-hand-tools

-- Mike

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#9 posted 12-10-2011 06:44 AM

That would work but it’s a stopped dado on both sides to just be in the middle. So it’s not a through dado on either side. Just the middle. I’m anxious for my router plane to come to play around with it! Haha

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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