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Forum topic by Hoss75 posted 12-04-2011 04:24 PM 1662 views 0 times favorited 16 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-04-2011 04:24 PM

First and foremost hello, and thank you Martin and members for a terrific site. Well my 1960s Craftsman 8” table saw is not cutting it anymore. I had restored it 8 years ago and she has treated me fine. Still passes the nickel test. However it’s time for a bigger saw. And my wife has given the go ahead. For $600. And here is the story. I’m meeting with the assistant manager at Sears on Monday 5:00 pm because I sent an email to the manager due to poor service. I looked at the Craftsman 21833 for 20 minutes with 4 sears employees 20 feet away telling jokes. I was never asked if I needed help. He would like me to come and and without saying the discount has offered a discount. Problem. I hate the saw. Plus it’s part of a triplet. Home Depots Rigid is the same and Menards has the same. I’m not a tool snob, but come on Sears buyers. How about something a little outside of what everyone else is selling.

I’ve placed an ad in CL and have only come up with older Craftsman models from the 80’s. They would all need to be gone through. And a new fence put on of course. Neither scares me. However, if I have the go ahead to purchase from the wife I would prefer new.

I live 2.5 hours from a town of 800,000. Not a big deal to travel. But would rather not. Sears is 30 minutes away.

I purchased 8 months ago an acreage with 6 outbuildings. All need to have repairs done, including the house. My shop will be 20×20 with 220. I don’t think I’ll need 220. But maybe.

I have on my bucket list to build a fine piece of furniture before I die. My wife insists dining table with 6 chairs, expandable and end drawers all out of walnut. (no pressure)

I’m in my mid 30’s with kid’s and a good job. I buy good stuff to hand down.

What should I buy?

-- Who is John Galt?

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#1 posted 12-04-2011 04:32 PM

Look for an old unisaw or powermatic 66 or 72 they will run within your budget if you are willing to clean them up a bit.


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#2 posted 12-04-2011 05:19 PM

Hoss, Try using for your Craig’s List searches. It lets you search by distance from your zip code or by a list of states/cities. Save your search – then just click on it. Saves a lot of time. -Jack

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#3 posted 12-04-2011 05:25 PM

If you want a good saw, don’t buy Craftsman. Have ya looked at offerings from Grizzley?


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#4 posted 12-04-2011 09:12 PM

I did buy the Ridgid 10” Contractor’s table saw and have been totally thrilled with it. It, also, came with a lifetime warranty. If I were in your situation I’d take the 2.5 hour trip and save LOTS of headaches later on “down the road”. Just my 2 cents worth!

-- Dan Christensen "We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." --PLATO

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#5 posted 12-04-2011 09:24 PM

I think youll appreciate the 220 in the shop, you may not have anything that runs on that much juice but it gives you options. You could definately look for a Delta unisaw 3HP or Powermatic 66, both will run 220. Im sure youll get a thousand different opinions on this matter but find one that works for you. Grizzly will get you a good saw for a good price brand new, the unisaw and powermatic will give you a great machine with a little bit of work put in. Youve for plenty of options dont rush it brother.

-- Its not a crack, its a casting imperfection.

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#6 posted 12-04-2011 10:55 PM

Hey…welcome to0 the site.
I have a Rigid and love it. I’m not much of a craftsman fan. If you are going to get into big wood, those unisaws and powermatic’s are good machines. But, my Rigid cuts anything I want it to cut

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#7 posted 12-04-2011 11:58 PM

NO CRAFTSMAN!!!!!!! They haven’t sold a good woodworking tool since the 1970’s. I see a lot of unisaws in that range. Buy a GOOD vintage saw. It’ll outlast all moderately priced new saws.

-- mike & judy western md. www.

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#8 posted 12-05-2011 03:29 AM

Wow. Very active site. Thank you all for the suggestions. The Ridgid is very tempting and a nice looking machine. However it’s the same as the Craftsman saw I’m being told to avoid. Please no offense. I like the Rigid saw. I just don’t have experience in this department. I have not looked at Grizzly. Thanks for that suggestion. It’s a tough call and I think I’m going to take my time. I’ve been looking for used UniSaws and Powermatics, but I’m in the middle of Nebraska. Not finding a lot on CL. I do love the suggestion by Irreverant Jack. I’ll be using that alot.

I’m still going to meet with Sears tomorrow. I don’t want their saw. But I think it’s important they hear my experience in person as well as the email I sent. I’m contemplating giving my opinion on the quality of their tools over the last 5-10 years. There is nothing the assistant manager can do about that personally except push up my concerns. I believe nothing will happen.

Anyway, I am actually very interested in restoring an older saw. I have done it before and enjoy the intimacy of getting to know the tool before and after.

I am finding a load of 1980’s Craftsman contractor saws made by Emerson on CL. Besides upgrading the fence what additions would I need or are even possible to add. My concern with a UniSaw is I’m seeing them run $600-$1000 and that is before I repair and add a good fence. I thought with an old Craftsman TS and Beisemeyer fence, building a solid base, upgrade motor, belt/pulleys etc it would put me right at $600. But I’d still only have an old Craftsman. Decisions Decisions.

Thanks for all the advice. Keep it coming if you have more. I’m just starting my quest.

-- Who is John Galt?

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#9 posted 12-05-2011 05:17 PM

I’ve found about 3 UniSaws within 6 hours driving one way. Not a big deal, but if I go I’m getting it. No turning back. Here are my questions.
They are in the $600 to $750 range various conditions. All have the original fence. 3 HP motors. One in particular looks in nice shape and has been for sale since October. What should I try for negotiating price? I’m not thrilled with the original fence from what I have read. So I would need to upgrade. None of them have a miter gauge. What should I be looking for/have them take pictures of for wear?

Thanks for all your help.

-- Who is John Galt?

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#10 posted 12-05-2011 05:41 PM

Would anyone know what kind of fence is on this Unisaw. And is it any good.

-- Who is John Galt?

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#11 posted 12-09-2011 01:28 AM

If I am not mistaken Hoss75 that is the Unifence that came on the Unisaws :)

-- - Paul, Flower Mound,TX

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#12 posted 12-09-2011 06:40 PM

I met with the assistant manager for Sears on Tuesday of this week. I expressed my concerns, not in a mean fashion but in a “I also deal with the public, and always appreciate when I get good constructive feedback.” I handed him my business card and told him if he had any additional questions feel free to contact me. I also told him that I was no longer interested in the Craftsman 21833. He took me to a computer and we looked at the Hybrid. Which honestly looks like a better machine. I told him I would be interested more in that one. On Thursday I sent a thank you email for meeting with me. Mostly because that’s what I do. but also because I had not heard anything from him. Friday, this morning I get an email from him. He is offering $100 off of the model 21833. The one I told him I was not interested in. A couple of things here.
1. That wasn’t the model I was interested in.
2. I can get a better deal from Sears on sale and with other discounts.
3. I can still get the same saw, different color from Home Depot and Menards for less money.

Here is where I am currently.
I have a Craftsman Radial Arm Saw, Craftsman Band Saw, 3 Craftsman Routers, Craftsman attachments, Craftsman socket sets/box end wrenches, large Craftsman Air Compressor, Craftsman scroll saw, Craftsman sanders, Craftsman drills, Craftsman Jig saw and a now “out of commission” 50 year old Craftsman table saw which I may turn into a bar top in the new shop I’m building.

I AM DONE BUYING CRAFTSMAN. I’m sure some of you will say that it should have happened a long time ago. I guess there was a glimmer of hope for the way things used to be. I was a 3 generation Craftsman user. Craftsman is so ingrained into this countries culture they are mentioned in country songs. It’s sad. Really sad, because a company that cares not about customer loyalty has very little viability.

I do not want this to be an Anti Craftsman thread. It started out as a way to learn more about a hobby I love and the tools we use as an extension of our minds. I hope this experience is beneficial to others.

-- Who is John Galt?

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#13 posted 12-09-2011 06:42 PM

You are correct. Unfortunately that saw and fence have just been sold. I was holding out until I heard back from Craftsman.

I’m not sure what I’m going to do. I have just purchased a 1975 10 inch Craftsman used. In poor shape, but fixable. I paid $50. I needed something until I found my last saw purchase.

-- Who is John Galt?

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#14 posted 12-09-2011 07:01 PM

as others have said, with your budget & the amount of space that you have, I think used is the way to go. You’ll get a lot more saw for your money & probably have something that CAN be handed down to the kids.

That said, you may need to be patient. I looked on CL for several months before finding what I wanted, but when I did, I got a good deal on it..

p.s. welcome to the site!

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#15 posted 12-09-2011 07:10 PM

Thanks jerkylips.

-- Who is John Galt?

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