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BerBer5985

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12-01-2011 08:37 PM

My mother bought me a $275 gift for christmas which unfortunately I’m going to return and obviously get some type of hand tool. I was thinking about one of the veritas or LN planes. I have an Ohio #7 jointer I just restored, a couple old stanley #5’s, an older craftsman #4, a harbor freight #4 (which actually works decent once sharpened….very surprised for $12), and stanley 60 1/2 low angle block, and a few other older planes which need some restoring. I wanted to maybe use that money on a new hand plane. I’ve decided it would be nice to either get a bevel up jack plane, bevel up jointer plane, maybe a bevel up smoother plane, or a specialty plane like a shoulder plane or a router plane. My other thought was skip the planes and look for a older Dewalt radial arm saw. I found one local for $300 which appears to be in good shape. My father always had an older craftsman radial arm saw and I know how flexible they are and I would love to have one in my shop, but with the older cast iron dewalts. Or save the money and put it towards a cabinet saw down the road. Any suggestions?

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com


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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#1 posted 12-01-2011 08:52 PM

From a capability perspective, a shoulder/router plane purchase makes the most sense. I say that based on the inventory you already have. Low angle or bevel up planes won’t get you capability you don’t already have like a router and shoulder will. And depending on source and vintage of tools you prefer you get both for $275 or less.

$300 for an older DeWalt RAS seems high, but I won’t argue the functionality of that tool (I have a 1958 DeWalt MBF).

Can’t comment on cabinet saw, I don’t have one and it’s never entered my mind that I need one at this point.

Good luck, what a nice present to have!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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BerBer5985

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#2 posted 12-01-2011 09:27 PM

I know…I’m excited. I was going to try and talk the guy down a bit. I don’t want to pay $300 for it. I think it should be worth no more than $225 and that might be on the high side. But if it’s well cared for and what not, it might be worth it. I was thinking a shoulder plane and a router plane. I know veritas has a large, medium, and small router plane and I was thinking that the medium might be a good all around size shoulder plane. I think the larger router plane from veritas with a fence and the different sized blades gives me a lot of versitility in doing slots for boxes and what not

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#3 posted 12-01-2011 11:53 PM

Those planes are indeed specialty tools. I have vintage versions for each of them, and there are hand tool tasks that just can’t be done effectively with any other tool, for sure. And, they’re fun to play with! Rediscovering is just a kick; using them to create projects is awesome. Really.

I got my MBF via Craigslist for $100. That was pretty much the going rate a year ago in my area. So I’d suggest patience on that front and the right one will appear at the right price for you. Some folks end up listing them just wanting the saw out of there shops / garages. You never can tell…

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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BerBer5985

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#4 posted 12-02-2011 04:08 AM

The guy said he would take $230 for the radial arm saw? Worth it?

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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A Slice of Wood Workshop

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#5 posted 12-02-2011 04:26 AM

If your looking for a different plane, there is a new tool company called Time Warp Tool Works . Might want to look at these guys, they look real nice.

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#6 posted 12-02-2011 07:03 AM

It should be complete for that- pawl and all blade covers, decent blade, etc. the original steel base would be good too. Let us know which way you go!

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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Dave

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#7 posted 12-03-2011 03:17 AM

Here is my 2 cents.
A router plane, cabinet scraper, spoke shave, and if ya got any leftover card scraper. All used.
Or ma bee new blades from Hock or Cosman?
Why do they say a penny for your thoughts but you have to put in your two cents. Where is the other penny?:)
And Tim I have been looking at time warp for a couple of weeks now. I am still undecided on them.
Just my opinion Greg. I have gotten so much more for my dollar buying old stuff.

-- Superdav "No matter where you go - there you are." http://chiselandforge.com

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drfunk

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#8 posted 12-03-2011 12:51 PM

All depends on what you think you will be doing on your upcoming projects.

Shooting end grain or trimming miters? Lie Nielsen 62
Cleaning up Rabbets or tenons? Lie Nielsen 140 or a medium/large shoulder plane.
Cleaning up dados? Router, small shoulder or side rabbet plane
Hogging out a lot of stock quickly? Scrub plane

What area of your skill set do you want to improve?

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BerBer5985

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#9 posted 12-03-2011 04:47 PM

Well I keep thinking router plane with different sized cutters and a fence and that would open me up to a variety of different things such as cleaning out dadoes, tanners, etc but also making groves for box bottoms or even some inlays if I choose. Seems like it would be a quick way to accurately set up and make grooves for the box bottoms for sure. I’m leaning towards a shoulder plane and router plane. When doing tenons that shoulder plane would be invaluable and when doing some other tasks, a router plane. As far as used goes, are the Stanley 92 nickel should planes any good or their I believe 71 or 72 router planes. I’m watching a few auctions on eBay for both.

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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Smitty_Cabinetshop

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#10 posted 12-03-2011 05:18 PM

A router plane isn’t ideal for making grooves in drawer sides. You’d have to lower the iron constantly, I think. A small plow would be preferable there. No complaints on my 1950s No. 71. Older stanley shoulders preferable to newer ones.

-- Don't anthropomorphize your handplanes. They hate it when you do that. -- OldTools Archive --

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drfunk

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#11 posted 12-03-2011 08:17 PM

Sounds like you are on the right track then.

I agree with Smitty, a router is not my first choice for plowing a groove. Along with the constant adjusting, the fence is not long enough to register well with the side of the workpiece – it is too easy to skew and has a tendency to follow the grain. In the LN video where they cut the groove for the banding with a router, Deneb is being awfully careful.

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crank49

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#12 posted 12-03-2011 09:21 PM

I think you have a good inventory of basic planes. An adjustable mouth, standard angle block would be useful sometimes in addition to the low angle you have. I have been wanting a LN rabbit block to compliment my shoulder plane.

But, the RAS would be nice too. Nice problem to have.

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BerBer5985

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#13 posted 12-05-2011 10:32 PM

Yeah I was thinking that rabbet block plane would do a lot of tasks too, a high quality low angle block plane that would do some tenon and shoulder trimming as well as doing rabbets. I have a Veritas Plow Plane on my want list, it’s just expensive, but I like building boxes, so it might be a good investment to cut those grooves for the bottoms.

-- Greg, Owner, Quality Carpet One, www.qualitycarpetonecrofton.com

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Don W

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#14 posted 12-05-2011 10:41 PM

I have a craftsman RAS. Not the best on the market, but I can’t image living without one. I just purchased an LN 62 and I am looking at a scraper plane (probably veritas). I have a wooden shoulder I bought for $10.

So it really depends on what kind of work you do. I wouldn’t use a shoulder plane enough right now to spend $300 on one. I would like one, just not that bad. I have a router plane, and usually clean up my dado’s with a chisel anyhow, so that would be out.

Bottom line, If I was without all of the above, the RAS would be the first thing I’d replace.

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#15 posted 12-05-2011 10:43 PM

Keep searching CL for RAS’s 230 Sounds a little high to me

-- Pat - Worker of Wood, Collector of Tools, Father of one

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