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SteveKorz

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11-27-2011 08:52 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw recomendation

Hey All,

I’m in the market for a tablesaw in the next couple months. It will be a serious upgrade to my shop, as I only have a craftsman benchtop/ contractors saw presently. I’ve had it for 15 years, and it has done well for me… but I’m looking to upgrade to something under $1k.

I would like something that has a great deal more precision to it, something in the Hybrid/ Cabinet style of tablesaws. Something heavy with a nice base and two adjustment wheels for the blade height and angle. I have done some research, looked at the reviews here, and some of the past blog/forum topics. I’ve looked at Craftsman, Rykon, Delta, Jet… etc. But they all look comparable to each other. It’s hard to make a decision when you can’t hear it run, work with it, etc. I would like something reasonably quiet, as my current saw screams like a jet engine. I would love to have a decent fence with the possibility of adding some accessories.

I’m curious if any of you have any recomendations for tablesaws that you presently have or have worked with that you really like, or any that you have really disliked. I’m looking for some guidance, as this will be a serious upgrade for my shop.

I figure that I can’t go wrong asking the opinions of everyone else on here before I make a decision in Dec or Jan…

Thanks in advance!

Steve.

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †


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Joe Lyddon

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#1 posted 11-27-2011 10:28 PM

Oh Steve!

You are on a very HAPPY journey!

I don’t see Grizzly on your list… They have a cool Hybrid with good features…

I recently wanted to get something to replace my Ryobi BT-3100…
I initially had my mind on something like what’s on yours…

I looked at Grizzly & Delta… looked good but, the price was out of my range… so I…
Started looking at Craigslist… searching, etc. as well as eBay…
Anyway… I wasn’t having very good success on finding a Unisaw type (hybrid)... so I reduced my search to just “Table saw”... BINGO…
There was a really NICE CLEAN COOL… Bosch 4000 with accesories & base… for about $375 on CL.
(I had read before that they were HIGHLY Rated and won a Finewoodworking Review)
(I have a Bosch Colt & Jig Saw and love the quality of their tools!)
I changed my mind and started looking at this saw… I actually talked the guy out of selling it… so I kept on looking.
Finally, I found a good looking Bosch 4000, etc. for $275… He had some pretty nice pictures of it… I called him… He said there were a couple trying to get him down to $250… I told him I’d give him $275… He said it was Mine! (pending the final Look See)... I drove about 45 mi one way, looked at it, paid him cash… got some extra stuff too… I added the extensions (which are really COOL… better than picture show them) for about $66 or so.

The fence is SO COOL! It’s “Right on” ALL THE TIME!! Very quiet… Cuts beautifully… no vibration…
...and I can move it around in my small garage shop… when I have to!

I LOVE IT… wish I had looked at them earlier…

Before that, I was getting very serious about the Grizzly Hybrid… waiting for a Sale with better Shipping, etc.
... found the Bosch before Grizzly went on Sale…

So, FWIW, that was my experience…

Have fun making a choice and receiving the New Toy!

-- Have Fun! Joe Lyddon - Alta Loma, CA USA - Home: http://www.WoodworkStuff.net ... My Small Gallery: http://www.ncwoodworker.net/pp/showgallery.php?ppuser=1389&cat=500"

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Lee A. Jesberger

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#2 posted 11-27-2011 10:45 PM

Hi Steve;

It’s can be a fun journey, looking for a new piece of equipment. I too have a Bosch 4000 that I use on job sites. It is a good saw, but I’m not sure I would want to use it as a cabinet shop saw.

When deciding on which saw to purchase, you have to figure out where you’re headed with your woodworking. If your going to be doing fine furniture, a high quality saw will serve you better. If your doing much with sheet goods, again, a good saw will make it easy to get good results.

Some Hybrid saws are pretty much a pretty cabinet, with poor quality guts. I think I would be inclined to buy a used cabinet saw, rather than a new hybrid saw… if you have room for it.

Good luck.

Lee

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SteveKorz

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#3 posted 11-27-2011 10:59 PM

Thanks Joe and Lee…

I’m looking to have a heated/cooled shop within the next year, so, that being said, my woodworking will also increase. I would really like to get into cabnetry and furniture. I have enjoyed the type of woodworking that I have done for years, but I’m really wanting more out of my hobby. My old contractor saw isn’t cutting it anymore. I’ll keep it, so that if I go to a jobsite (new construction or remodel) I can use it, but it just isn’t accurate enough for what I need in my shop.

What I buy will be a permanant fixture. I’ll have casters on it to move it around the shop, but that will be the extent of its travels. I’m looking pretty heavily at the Shop Fox hybrid… A Wood Magazine review says that it is out performing most top cabinet saws, for about 2k less. http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Fox-W1748-Hybrid-Cabinet/dp/B000OUTSSQ/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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#4 posted 11-27-2011 11:23 PM

The SF you linked to is no longer available. It was also sold as the Grizzly G0478, which is also no longer available as a new saw. You might find a SF that’s NOS. Note that neither of these saws had a riving knife, which is an improved splitter that’s worth getting if you’re going to buy a new saw. I remember that review, but I never could figure out why…there’s no reason to think this saw will outperform a 3hp cabinet saw, regardless of what the review said….I always figured there was another variable or variables involved…plus there’s more to long term performance than cutting a few boards. I’d bet big that most who’ve tried one of these hybrids and a true 3hp cabinet saw would agree with me. (moot point anyway). If you’ve got 220v available, a 3hp industrial style cabinet saw is significantly more robust.

Here’s a look at the under pinnings of the former Grizzly G0478 (same as the SF 1748):

Here’s a look at a Grizzly G1023RL:

If you’ve looked strictly at hybrid style saws that will run on 120v, the Rikon is the same as the Steel City 35990, which has gotten some mixed reviews for alignment issues and quality control concerns….those issues won’t apply to all, but would be something I’d want to be aware of before jumping in.

The new Craftsman 22116 is an updated version of their very well regarded 22124. It offers cabinet mounted trunnions that are easier to reach and easier to align. It also has an updated riving knife, granite top, Biese clone fence, and full enclosure. It’s made by Steel City/Orion and is essentially the same as their model 35930…both have the same guts as the SC 35925 and former Ridgid R4511 but has a better fence. This is a different, more proven design than the 35990 that was mentioned, and does not share the same issues.

The Jet Proshop 708480/708482k are nice saws, but have not yet been updated with a riving knife, so don’t deserve a premium IMHO.

Not sure what Delta you’re looking at, but they haven’t updated their hybrids or contractor saws with riving knives yet.

General International has a couple of models that are worth a look if you don’t have 220v. But if you do have 220v, or can get it, I’d strongly urge you to up the budget by ~ $250-$300 and get Grizzly G1023RL ($1195/$1289 shipped) or G0690, or buy used….should be the last saw you’ll ever need.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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SteveKorz

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#5 posted 11-27-2011 11:39 PM

knotscott-

Thanks, I do have 220v available in my shop. Wiring an additional machine would be easy. I hadn’t thought of the riving knife.

I was looking for some time at the Craftsman, they have gotten decent reviews on here… and I certainly haven’t ruled it out. I haven’t looked too much into Grizzly, I probably should start looking.

There are so many decent choices.. I’m going to have to keep researching. Until you and Lee had mentioned it, I hadn’t really thought about looking into the guts of the saw.

Thanks for your help

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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#6 posted 11-27-2011 11:48 PM

I have the Grizzly G0690 and love it. Really wanted the G1043 but it is just too heavy for moving downstairs. I shopped around for years, thinking I could only handle a hybrid saw. But I finally pulled the trigger on a real saw and am glad I didn’t settle for less. As knotscott says, if you can up your budget a bit then for sure you will be happy. Grizzly is having an Xmas sale and this saw is $1295 plus $139 shipping. I paid an additional $34 for liftgate service, well worth it. The driver had a pallet jack and put the whole package right in my garage. It was fairly easy to set up, it might take more work cleaning off the cosmoline than it does to put together. Saw has performed really well so far, all I had to do was tweak the fence and tighten the belts after a few hours use.

-- Don, Royersford, PA

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#7 posted 11-27-2011 11:53 PM

Steve, from my experience the table saw is probably the most versatile piece of machinery in the workshop. It’s the key too all others. I would advise going the extra mile and get yourself a good quality machine, you will never regret it.
Good luck with the hunting.

-- Grumpy - "Always look on the bright side of life"- Monty Python

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#8 posted 11-28-2011 12:00 AM

I was thinking the same thing as Scott ,about bumping the price up a bit. I value knotscott’s opinion he is always on top of tools and every little detail involved with most woodworking equipment.

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HorizontalMike

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#9 posted 11-28-2011 12:18 AM

I’m with Don in that I too have have the G0690 (Mine) and LOVE IT. BTW, Knotscott pretty much has all the details you could ever want to know. We all have full trust in knotscott’s opinions.

FWIW, when it was time for me to upgrade, I started looking at $400 saws and ended up spending ~$1700 on the G0690 w/router extension delivered. I have NEVER looked back.

As anonymous says, “You only cry once when you overspend, twice when you underspend.”

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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SteveKorz

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#10 posted 11-28-2011 01:24 AM

I don’t mind spending more… I’ve learned the lesson of buying cheap before. It never pays.

I can’t get into the shop until about the first or middle of march anyway, so pushing back the buy date and saving the money isn’t the issue.

I want something with a lot of quality that will not give me fits over the years, something quiet, with enough HP to get the job done.

I value all of your opinions… As long as I have been here, I’ve never went wrong by posting a question.

I’ll begin looking in the next bracket of saws to see what that will yeild.

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 11-28-2011 04:05 AM

Depending on how old any/the used saw is, it may NOT have a splitter/riving knife. So if buying used, pay attention to this fact.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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doyoulikegumwood

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#12 posted 11-28-2011 04:47 AM

I was where you are right now about a 2 and a half years ago. I ran the gambit this saw and that saw. What I finally ended up with, 60 some od ball year old uni saw. As far as uni saws go you really can’t beat them from the first one built in the 30’s to the last one built in 2008 they are all the same on the inside with a very few changes. and of corse the cosmetic changes to the cabinet it self. the main down fall i can give you is the lack of a riving knife and the dust collection even on newer ones leaves something to be desired but is easily fixed with shop built hoods. if your supper lucky like I was, I bought the saw for less then the add on delta extras it came with. I see saws like this all the time on craigslist. but my advice no matter which way you go is buy once the was my 3rd table saw and should be my last and should have been my second.

-- I buy tools so i can make more money,so ican buy more tools so I can work more, to make more money, so I can buy more tool, so I can work more

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#13 posted 11-28-2011 04:49 AM

here it is on amazon
didn’t read everything
but it does have the riving knife
and the fence looks good

http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G0690-10-22-Cabinet-Riving/dp/B0029VN2SA

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#14 posted 11-28-2011 09:35 PM

WOW… Grizzly has so many tablesaws that look terrific that are under $1500. The “G0690 10 3HP 220V and “G1023RLWX 10 5 HP 220V are both well within my budget considerations… I saw some video on a similar Grizzly saw on youtube and they seem nice and steady, no vibration, and QUIET.

I don’t know that I would have the use for a 5hp saw, but I like the router table option on the 1023RLWX (which is included), whereas the 0690 I would have to pay for it as an accessory. However, I like the router table accessory for the G0690 better than what is included in the G1023RLWX…. lol.

I’m wondering if I could install the cast iron extension wing on the G0690, and then install the router table extension on the extension wing? I would have a cabinet under the extension wing and router table, so support would not be an issue. I would like to butt this type of table saw configuration up to an assembly table to the rear of the saw to make an island in my shop. Man, that would be handy!

To those that have the G0690, what do you think about installing the router table extension to the extension wing?

-- As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. (Proverbs 27:17) †

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#15 posted 11-28-2011 09:41 PM

look for used saws / Powermatic General or Delta would be what I’d look for.

What Cr1 said. I’d look at a Unisaw with a decent fence. Good luck!

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