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11-24-2011 01:25 AM

http://www.aol.com/2011/11/22/rocrast-mack-murder-alabama-prison-brutality_n_1109830.html

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#1 posted 11-24-2011 04:04 AM

So corrections officers are allowed to be judge, jury, and executioner? That sounds wrong to me. There is some consolation that at least one of the guards is charged with murder.

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#2 posted 11-24-2011 06:56 AM

”according to witness accounts and prison records.”

That doesn’t mean a thing to me…

Those “records” are probably cooked “well done”...

It’s a darn shame…

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#3 posted 11-24-2011 11:59 AM

It’s a true tradedy.
No winners in a system like that.
Mads

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#4 posted 11-24-2011 01:38 PM

woodnheven you make it sound like he deserved it ! and you more or less did say that. The penalty for busting a female officers lip and he was wrong throwing a chair a cross the room which caught her after she beat him is not to be beaten to death violently with feet fists and batons by six or so very brave officers. if you had read the whole thing you would have seen there was a pattern long term of abuse and someone else also died at their hands.shameful behaviour I hope he goes to prison for a long time.In anycase the man who died should not have been given 20 years for selling such a small amount of drugs he was an addict himself.Alistair

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#5 posted 11-24-2011 03:22 PM

That’s all I read, Too much more to read.

Translation: I don’t need the facts to pronounce judgement.

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#6 posted 11-24-2011 03:52 PM

This is the era where exceptions are singled out and drilled into people as though they are the rule. No wonder people think their neighbor is too rich and the planet will die if we make another gasoline engine.

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#7 posted 11-24-2011 04:23 PM

miles125, I could be with you on this ! If I knew which “exceptions” you are speaking of and who it benefits having these “drilled into people” Who are the drillers ? Give us a little more my friend, and I would probably on board with you !

-- If it smells good, eat it ! The pig caught under the fence is the one doing all thesquealing

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#8 posted 11-24-2011 05:23 PM

Miles125: This is the era where exceptions are singled out and drilled into people as though they are the rule. No wonder people think their neighbor is too rich and the planet will die if we make another gasoline engine.

Well I don’t think you need to think about exceptions_ when the numbers are much larger than that:

America spends less than 1% of the federal budget on poverty.

Total Population: 300 million

Life Expectancy: 77.4

12.7% live below poverty level – 37 million live below poverty level

5.6 million children are in extreme poverty. Extreme poverty means living below $7,870 for a family of 3
11% have food insecurity

9% have no medical insurance

DC has highest national poverty rate at 33%
MA 9.2% poverty, Louisiana 16.7%.

8.6% of whites live in poverty; 25% of blacks.

Among the 21 affluent nations of the world, the USA has the highest number of children living in poverty (18.9%), twice that of the second highest.

US has largest gap between rich and poor of any industrialized nation: bottom 40% live on under $22,000 a year with the USA having the highest number of billionaires in the world: 269.

Since 2000, the number of people below the poverty line has increased by 5 million. We have 37 MILLION (population of CA) in America living below the poverty line. 3.5 million homeless – that’s the entire state of OR and 1.3 million are homeless children, with 4% under the age of 5.

Poorest in nation: Pine Ridge Indian Reservation – 85% unemployment, 97% poverty, life expectancy 50, teenage suicide 4 times the national average, infant mortality 5 times the national average. Many families don’t have electricity, water or sewer.

Of all the developed nations in the world, the United States has the largest gap between rich and poor.
US ranks 21 on the human poverty list.

17.6 % of children under 18 live in poverty and the highest population of poor are children under the age of 6 where one in five lives below poverty.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#9 posted 11-24-2011 05:53 PM

HorizontalMike your post is case in point. You live in the richest and most prosperous country in the world and only see what’s lacking. What’s your baseline for comparison? Heaven? Because the fact is it don’t get any better than America. And the way you can tell is because we need fences to keep people out, not in.

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#10 posted 11-24-2011 05:59 PM

woodnheaven thats not what you said,
you said

It sure was avoidable, Rocrast didn’t have to attack the female guard. If he hadn’t we wouldn’t be reading about this, would we?
meaning he got what he deserved or he asked for it.You didn’t read it all my friend and I am not picking on you but she struck him first he threw a plastic chair and it caught her,which was wrong. He shouldnt have done that but he wasn,t asking for to be brutally beaten to death two wrongs don’t make a right.something is far wrong here it’s apity you didn’t read it seems like this kind of behaviour by the guards was typical. and had been going on for a long time with as I said at least one other death murder of inmates by prison guards is not acceptable. as far as drugs are concerned we need to send the big guys to prison for a long time not nickel and dime addicts who need help 2 years would have been enough beligerrence is not the answer ,clever thinking that works is the answer.The present policy of sending people to prison either for 20 years or 99 years for selling a few dollars worth of a drug desperately trying to keep themselves from withdrawing is not workingAlistair

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#11 posted 11-24-2011 06:40 PM

And the way you can tell is because we need fences to keep people out, not in.

We got a lot of fences keeping people in:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/americas/23iht-23prison.12253738.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/us/03prison.html

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#12 posted 11-24-2011 07:02 PM

Sad story, being beaten and stomped to death is probably a horrible way to go. I would hope that those responsible will all be held accountable for their actions. Just because he is in prison should be no reason or excuse for him to be treated as less than human. Beating a man to death is a savage act no matter how you look at it.

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#13 posted 11-24-2011 07:28 PM

I will defend the system in saying that if you don’t show control of a population that is 255% larger than it’s supposed to be there could well have been many other deaths to inmates as well as guards.

The system is in violation of the constitution. Society and government have the responsibility to address sentencing laws and prison overcrowding, not making excuses.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-california-reduce-prison-population-30000/story?id=13666195
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24scotus.html?pagewanted=all

I agree that the sentence may have been long but remember “habitual offender” small fish turn into big fish.

That is just as likely to happen while in prison, if not more likely, since they are surrounded by criminal role models.

It’s all about choices and if he had made better choices he wouldn’t have been there, it would have never happened.

Yea, it’s all that simple. Children living in poverty, poorly educated; they have very clear choices and opportunity. Their circumstance is cast in stone long before they grow up to be adults.

-- Ron

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#14 posted 11-24-2011 08:20 PM

Jon,
I don’t know Mack’s personal situation, but if you were to research the statistics of our prison population in America, I’m confident that you would find that they are mostly poorly educated, economically poor, minority, etc…

Not many get reformed from going to prison; do you have an answer to fix that? Should we not put them in prison?

Prison has its place for violent criminals and those that pose a threat to society. No argument there. I don’t agree that everyone locked in prison should be there. Society is wasting a lot of resources on this issue.

Maybe your one that thinks they should have rec rooms with pool tables?

No, I think, we as a society should look at root causes for our exploding prison population and deal with those issues rather than spending excessive resources on housing non-violent criminals in prison.

-- Ron

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#15 posted 11-24-2011 08:51 PM

My argument is that what the guy did ,albeit illegal/wrong etc did not warrant being savagely beaten to death by five or six others punching kicking and hitting with batons a very cowardly act.What if your son had been treated like this by prison guards for a very minor offence would that result in no sympathy.
It has nothing to do with sympathy what the guards did was more ilegal than what he did. It seems many times over and got away with it .If this is the kind of beligerent society you would welcome or turn a blind eye to then it’s your choice but set in the constitutions laws it states quite clearly that this is not acceptable under your law this is the kind of thing we constantly are blaming China russia middleeastern countries including Turkey with check amnesty internationals records.I cannot believe that an intelligent man like yourself is not horrified by this it says a lot about our slipping standards when we condone or turn a blind eye to acts of torture like this ,didn’t we take on Sadam Hussein etc one of the arguments at least accused him of treating his people like this, when we are no better when we publically condem others for the same thing .Sorry I feel strongly about this this system stinks and does not work. Alistair

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