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11-21-2011 06:20 PM

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the Shop Fox mobile 1.5 HP cyclone dust collector? I want to upgrade from my .75 HP Rockler unit, which while fine for small machines is inadequate for my Delta Unisaw and 8 inch jointer. I typically buy Delta or Jet equipment but I was quite impressed by the Shop Fox unit, as it appears well designed, compact, solidly built and nicely finished, and comes with a remote control. The 2 HP Laguna and JDS cyclone models are way out of my budget and frankly a little overkill for my garage shop. Jet/Powermatic has a black Friday sale coming up and I have been looking at the 1.75 HP models, e.g. PM1300, but even with the new “cone” technology I would still need to get a trashcan/separator, and I really don’t have much room for all of this. The CFM is a little lower on the Shop Fox but I would only be running one machine at a time and the dust collector would be close-by. It comes with a 2 year warranty in comparison to 5 for Jet/PM.

Any non-biased feedback would be appreciated.

-- Stuart


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#1 posted 11-22-2011 01:41 AM

Sanity,

Check out the post on dc modification to find out about the HF dc, Wynn filter conv, and Thein separator. All for way less.

Steve

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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#2 posted 11-22-2011 06:55 PM

I really think you ought to get the HF. It’s the same dust collector, for about half the price. Note that these DCs are not really cyclones. It really is the same thing – look at the pictures. You can get a remote for $20.

Regardless of whether you buy the Shop Fox or the HF, you need to upgrade the filter. Get the Wynn Canister .5 micron. You NEED to do that, it’s not optional. Dust particles in the micron range are dangerous to your health.

You will appreciate a Thein separator. It’s a nice to have, and it’s cheap. You can, if you want, build it IN to the DC, so you don’t need a trash can separator in front of it. The negatives are that the larger chips go through the impeller, and you are emptying the bag, rather than a can or barrel, which is more futzing around.

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#3 posted 11-22-2011 07:02 PM

I have had experince with shop fox as a brand it is relabeled grizzly for dealers so the main issuse is weather its a good dealer in terms of service because grizzly wont help you unless you purchased it from them

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#4 posted 11-22-2011 08:52 PM

Thanks for the comments. I am not really interested in going the HF route, because as mentioned above space is at a premium in my garage and I don’t want to have to create a thien separator, i.e. trashcan, in addition to the DC. The Shop Fox 1.5 HP 1823 is a true cyclone unit by the way. My concern is if it is powerful enough for my needs and the reliability of the motor.

-- Stuart

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#5 posted 11-22-2011 09:07 PM

Guilty of googling shop fox 1.5HP and finding a clone of the HF.

The price I see for the 1823 is around $750.
It does seem like a nice unit if you have that much to spend.

As I said, you can mount the Thein baffle INSIDE the HF ring. No need for an external trash can separator. Not as efficient as a cyclone, but total is going to be 1/3 of $750.

Bill Penz would say it’s not enough CFM. If all you have is 10’ of 4” flex hose, it’s probably fine. No info to share on the motor reliability.

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#6 posted 11-22-2011 09:24 PM

I know that I have worn out relating my experience with my HF unit, but I’ll go one more time.
My HF DC has been a good addition to the shop. I added felted bags from Highland Woodworking for a “plug and play” dust collector. You can spend a bunch, use up a lot of floor space, get all the trendy add-ons. Your call, but I have been very well pleased with the unit and the dust collection I attained. Sure, I have to beat the bags every so often, empty the bottom bag once a month, etc.
I’m not gonna go to all the expense of add-ons when I get the performance I have. I don’t have a production shop.
Bill

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#7 posted 11-22-2011 09:43 PM

brtech, thanks for the additional comments, clearly I did not read your message through to the end (apologies). Is the HF setup what you have? I have been sceptical of the claims of the HF unit to be 2HP, and would be concerned about the impact to the CFM with mounting additional baffling internally. Are you able to run several machines at once, and at what distance from the modified DC? The new “cone” technology of the Jet and PM is similar to the thien baffle but I have been told that even with this you really should still use a separator to stop chips from reaching the DC. I am thinking of a cyclone based on my needs, i.e. powerful enough to not clog and keep my shop clean when using either the planer, table saw or 8 inch jointer, relatively compact footprint, mobile, reliable, and easy clean-up. I don’t mind paying a bit more provided it works, but what I am not sure about with the Shop Fox 1823 is if it is powerful enough.

-- Stuart

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#8 posted 11-22-2011 09:54 PM

Hey Bill, clearly there are some fans of the HF unit out there! I appreciate the feedback. Similar question as posed to brtech – I don’t want to use a separate trashcan/thien separator, so can I connect the modified HF unit to my planer or 8 inch jointer for example and not clog it up after a few passes?

-- Stuart

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#9 posted 11-23-2011 12:18 AM

Stuart,

As others and I have said, it is a simple thing to modify the HF dc with the Thein baffle in the ring. Takes little time, almost no money, and works flawlessly. The HF is a full 2 hp, and is the same as the grizzly, swamp fox, and others. Parts are interchangeable. The difference is the HF has a 10” impeller and the grizz has a 12”. If you’re running 100’ of pipe around the shop, none of these would be sufficient; at least a 5hp Leeson would be minimum with a cyclone.

If you’re doing as most of us do and run 10’ of 4” hose to one tool at a time, it is more than sufficient. I have run this setup for several years, have never clogged the intake with shavings ( I cut out the “crosshairs”-they’re pointless), and with the Thein baffle in place, EVERYTHING goes into the bag. Almost nothing gets into the filter, which because of its’ large surface area, more than makes up for whatever tiny cfm loss the baffle MAY introduce. The only reason to build the SEPARATOR-the THEIN baffle mounted on a barrel between the tool and the dc-would be; 1) to avoid having to take the bag off the dc to empty-a 10 minute exercise, 2) to avoid having nails, screws, spare engine blocks, etc. hit the impeller if you sweep the floor with the dc. I use my shop vac for that with a Thein SEPARATOR to avoid emptying a six gallon vac and dealing with a plugged hepa filter. For two years, this has worked beautifully. I have blown out the shop vac filter twice. It has the same footprint as the vac because I mounted the vac on top of the separator and put them on wheels.

The HF dc is a huge value (on sale for $149 plus most stores will let you use a 20% off coupon), is more than adequate for home shop use, and is totaly reliable. I have never heard of one going down; mine has certainly been a boon. I cannot stress enough the importance of adding the Wynn Environmental cartridge filter, It is a drop-on fit, and is way more efficient and convenient compared to bags, adds cfm to the system, and at about $100 is a bargain. With the Thein Baffle in place in the dc ring, you would have a fool-proof system that could not be matched if you spent 3 to 4 times the bucks.

I have no connection with Harbor Freight of Wynn Environmental. I am just a happy camper who can breathe easily.

Happy Turkey Day, all.

Steve

-- Steve in KY. 44 years so far with my lovely bride. Think I'll keep her.

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#10 posted 11-23-2011 12:51 AM

Just as an afterthought…....I use the HF on the DeWalt planer which can create a bunch of junk. I just open the other cap on the “wye” (how do ya spell “y”). I guess that a gate with a variable opening would work. Sure works for this shop. I don’t get any dust in the shop. So there!!!!!! I close the shop windows when I’m blowin’ off the porch with the Stihl leaf blower. Wanna know how I learned this lesson? There are no pics that will show this debacle.
My life is a continuing learning experience. (Seems like that would be a good tag line.)
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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#11 posted 12-06-2011 06:45 PM

I would like some additional information on the HF setup that several are talking about above. I will be working in my still forming basement shop, and currently will only be using a table saw, dewalt planer and a (yet to be purchases) router table. never at the same time. Really all i’m looking for is something to keep the chips off the floor and a decent portion of the dust out of the air. i have no allergy or dust issues, so if a few particles stay in the air i’m ok with that. if someone can point me to a previous thread, or a few links i would be very gratiful.

thanks!
josh

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#12 posted 04-30-2015 05:22 AM

Can anyone post a video showing how to place a Thein baffle in the ring of the DC? I need a DC asap.

Thanks.

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