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I am new & I need some quick advice. I may be able to get a 22116 hybrid to replace my 7 year old 22114 hybrid, which they can’t seem to fix. Does anyone have the 22116 ? I really need to know anything good or bad, a.s.a.p. I have to make a decision right away! I have made dozens of jigs that fit my saw, not looking forward to altering or remaking them to fit another saw. I know the insert is a different shape, does anyone know how thick the insert is? Is it standard 1/2” thick ? I am leary of the granite top. I only have 1 magnetic jig,so thats not a big concern, but just how fragile is that granite top? If you tighten down a featherboard in the mitre slot is it gonna stress the granite ? I know the 22116 has a lot more features than my old saw, but i am really worried, there is no assembled floor model anywhere in this area that I can look at it. I’d really appreciate any quick feedback, I have very little time to decide.

-- dnick, North Hollywood, Ca.


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#1 posted 1007 days ago

I don’t own a 22116, but it’s made by Steel City/Orion, and the saw is nearly identical to the discontinued Steel City 35930, and has the same guts, body, and top as the current Steel City 35925 (which has a lesser fence), and same guts and top as the former Ridgid R4512. Much of the history on those saws should be relevant to the 22116.

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#2 posted 1007 days ago

Thanks for the info. Still like to hear from someone who has 1 of these saws.

-- dnick, North Hollywood, Ca.

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#3 posted 1007 days ago

I don’t have the granite top saw in question, but have the 22833, the cast iron saw that replaced it. I wish I had the granite top saw. It had the cabinet mounted trunion which is a good thing to have. The 22833 is the same saw as the Ridgid R4511.

The 22116, as already said, is the same as the Ridgid R4512. I think most reviews I have seen about that saw were for the Ridgid version and most all of them are positive.

I think the granite has some good advantages in weight, won’t rust, is slick, and glue is easy to get off.
It is a problem if you drop anything heavy on it and you can’t use magnetic acessories.
I’ve never read a review where anyone complained about the top chipping or breaking, but I’m sure it could happen.

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#4 posted 1007 days ago

they had this saw on display at the big sears superstore in Fresno where the sears store is almost 2 blocks long. I was fairly impressed with the saw and the granite looked nice was very flat i put a strait edge on it and it was flat and true the motor seemed strong although the salesman only had soft wood to cut it was easily cut and no drop in revolutions as it ripped a 2×4 in half and again at a 45. the controls felt nice and the fence was solid. I liked the saw for the most part it seems like an improvement for the faltering Craftsman label and should be a good saw to service you for several years. I do not normally like craftsman equipment but if i were in the market for a saw in this price range id have to give it a good second look as i was pleased with it on first look.

Since this is what they are offering you on a warranty id say go for it yes you will have several jigs to alter or replace but it will be ok you will already know what you want and modification is not so tough also many jigs will likely work the same

Are they offering something else like cash back if so you could take the money and find a good used unisaw or a Jet or other higher end saw the used market is flooded with saws there were 50 last weekend on craigs list in my region alone good luck with what ever you decide to do Lance

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#5 posted 1006 days ago

I mis-typed in my first reply and can longer edit the error…the Cman 22116, SC35930, and SC35925 have the same trunnion system as the former R4511, not the R4512…the R4512 is the same as the Cman 21833. Crank49, I set you up! ...sorry for the confusion.

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#6 posted 1006 days ago

Dnick – In addition, the 22116 has some upgrades that the 22114 does not have…a riving knife, a one-piece cast arbor carriage (vs the connecting rods on the 22114), and a better fence. Most of what I’ve read from owners of the granite top saws are happy with them…it’s not as robust as cast iron, but isn’t overly fragile either. The vast majority of breakage I have heard about was with the Ridgid R4511, most of which was caused by ill-advised double stacking in the warehouse which caused crushing of some of the tops.

The guts of the 22116 and 22114 are similar but a little different, but since both are made by Steel City/Orion and both have cabinet mounted trunnions, I’m wondering if the cast iron top from your 22114 could be placed on the 22116, or at least reasonably retrofitted in case you don’t like the granite…dunno if the bolt patterns line up.

Here’s a look at the guts of the R4511/22116:



Here’s a look at what’s in the 22114:

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#7 posted 1006 days ago

Knotscott, you did, and I didn’t even realize it. I exactly reversed the R4511 and R4512.

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#8 posted 1006 days ago

I appreciate the input. I know it’s not even 24hours yet, but should I think it’s strange that no 22116 owner has responded ? I wonder how many of these saws are out there in the real world.

-- dnick, North Hollywood, Ca.

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#9 posted 1006 days ago

I have the Ridgid R4511 which is the exact same saw with orange paint. I love the saw and have had zero problems with the granite top. The granite is super thick and monstrously heavy so I feel pretty good that it’s made to last.

The miter slot issues that have been reported seem to be guys that don’t slide them all the way out before trying to remove their miter gauge and crack the ends of the slot. I don’t have the 22114 but my personal opinion is that the 22116 would be a fine replacement.

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#10 posted 1006 days ago

Well, it’s not a done deal yet. The Sears tech was here today. Ordered the same parts they installed last month, scheduled a Dec. appointment. I have been fighting with Sears corparate all week. Last week they offered to replace the saw, I thought I was going to get a new 22114, then found they don’t sell it anymore. Monday they tried get me to accept the 21833. I told them that was a downgrade & unacceptable. No offence to anyone who has one, but for starters it’s 100 lbs. lighter than my saw. I told them I wasn’t asking for an upgrade, but the only machine close to being comparable was the 22116. There is no saw in between the 2. They agreed that the 21833 was a downgrade, & we’ve been going round & round ever since. When this whole “adventure” is over, I am going to post the whole nightmare story, start to finish. If you are considering Craftsman anything, you will want to hear this. Don’t know what topic that goes under.

-- dnick, North Hollywood, Ca.

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#11 posted 1005 days ago

power tools or off topic but id put it in power tools I would tell them get my nsaw working in 7 days or have my new one here and set up to work or tell them to give you cash back and buy a high end saw used there are tons of them on craigs list

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