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lazyoakfarm

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11-16-2011 05:00 PM

Topic tags/keywords: molding planer woodmaster grizzly

when I was purchasing my tools for my shop, I considered having multi use machines like the Woodmaster planer / molder/ rip saw / drum sander, but since this is only a hobby I didn’t want to spend a lot of time on changing over from a Planer to molder etc. and didnt know how much molding I would make.

Now… I want to make my own molding. Its a 2 hour drive to Jacksonville Florida to purchase molding, Freight charges double the cost of the molding, so I want to start making my own.

Need some advice on the machine to purchase. I want to be able to cut larger than 3.25” molding. Maybe 5 or 6 inch? I am only familar with the Woodmaster from their web site, have never used one and its a little more money than I wanted to spend by the time you get everything. And my will tell you its a its only a toy…


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Bertha

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#1 posted 11-16-2011 05:09 PM

You could look around in the used market for a big shaper. I’d try to find one with an auto-feeder b/c it gets old quickly. I ran all the moldings for my shotgun house restore in New Orleans (which Katrina killed). I bought a shaper and had some custom knives made, ran all the molding, then sold the shaper for about what I paid for it. It’s ridiculous how much I saved but it was a lot of work. I don’t have any experience with the dedicated molders but I saw a vintage one for sale nearby with a very small footprint for a very good price. Good luck!

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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twiceisnice

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#2 posted 11-16-2011 06:34 PM

Williams and Hussey . You can run clear up to 7” molder knives. You can also plain up to 7” .

WOODMASTER Model 712 Planer

Shop Fox W1812 Planer Moulder with Stand

Powermatic 1120003 Model PM15 15-Inch 5-Horsepower Planer/Molder, 230-Volt 1-Phase

Jet 13” Planer/Molder, Model JWPM-13CS

Alot easier to make molding on these machines than a shaper.

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Loren

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#3 posted 11-16-2011 07:02 PM

You can look around for a used Belsaw planer/moulder – they
can be had pretty cheaply and lots of knives are available.
Similar to the Woodmaster. RBI used to sell the same sort
of machine as well.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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lazyoakfarm

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#4 posted 11-16-2011 07:21 PM

OK. I have now learned that at least most moulders are actually a planer also. Maybe I should have just bought the Planer / Moulder combo? I think in the end I will be happy they are separate.

I will have to do some homework othe list and find the one that has the best / most knives.

how much cutting debth is enough? Grizzly has one for less than $1,000 with a max of 3/4 cutting debth.
Grizzly only has 4” knives….
Feel free to narrow it down for me if anyone has a suggestion.
Gosh this is fun.

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Bertha

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#5 posted 11-16-2011 07:25 PM

Williams and Hussey! thanks twice!That’s what I was looking for. I didn’t have room in my shop when my vintage tool guy offered it to me. I was most impressed by the small footprint. I think he wanted $800 or so but with dozens of knives. I think they’re out there.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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dbhost

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#6 posted 11-16-2011 07:29 PM

Another option is router table / molding bits. MLCS offers some nice bits in traditional profiles…

http://www.mlcswoodworking.com/shopsitesc/store/html/smarthtml/pages/bitmolding.html#moldingsetanchor

Obviously you would want a decent router to do this work, stay away from trying to make molding with a 1.25 HP router, but I wouldn’t hesitate to use my 2.25 HP Hitachi for example…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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lazyoakfarm

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#7 posted 11-16-2011 07:36 PM

Bertha / twiceisnice the W&H- what a cool looking machine.

dbhost – I have a great router table, I thought it was pretty difficult to make moulding on a router table. I will have to see if I can find some videos.

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Loren

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#8 posted 11-16-2011 07:45 PM

You can make moulding on the table saw too, with a moulding head.
Don’t knock it ‘til you’ve tried it.

There’s a cool crown moulding set available with a special table
saw blade for doing the coves and a set of specialized router bits
for all the fiddly bits… designed for reproduction work so it is
not handyman junk.

-- http://lawoodworking.com

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woodsmithshop

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#9 posted 11-16-2011 08:19 PM

I have had a Woodmaster, and the changeover from planer to molder is only a few minutes of your time.

-- Smitty!!!

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helluvawreck

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#10 posted 11-16-2011 09:09 PM

After it’s all said and done I think you should just buy molding ready to go. However, you should buy it not from a retailer but from a local shop that runs molding everyday and grinds their own knives.That’s what we do and I’m not just saying this because we’re in that business but because I think what I’m saying will hold true in most cases. First of all we buy our Lumber direct from the mill and maybe 150 or 200 flatbed loads per year. There are no middle men and we get a very good price. A small shop has a hard time competing because of what they have to pay for lumber. We keep most eastern hardwoods in stock. We finger join our own wood and this is another way we save on material. We grind our own knives and our knife room probably has 5000 different knives now. We keep hundreds of different moldings stocked in bins ready to go and we’ll sell somebody that walks in the door off the street just one piece if that’s what they need. We’ll run custom moldings – even 1 piece if that’s what you need. We have 5 wienig molders and can run up to 11-1/2 wide. Our prices are very reasonable. We also look for lumber deals all over and buy that way (auctions for example). I’d be willing to bet that there is someone in your area that does what we do.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#11 posted 11-16-2011 10:17 PM

I have my own setup to make molding.

1. I take a plastic bag, medium sized, without the Ziploc style seal.

2. Place one slice of bread inside. Rye is fine, white is better, homemade is best.

3. Forget it… this joke is already getting old…

-- It's the best woodworking show since the invention of wood... New episodes at: http://www.stumpynubs.com

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lazyoakfarm

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#12 posted 11-16-2011 10:19 PM

I guess I just like making stuff. Not saying I wouldnt buy the molding if I could find a shop such as yours. All I have been able to find in South Georgia is mills that deal with soft wood. I found a great source for Cypress right down the road but talking to the shops around there is nothing close for any hardwood. I found a source for rough cut and s2s slr1e hardwood about 2 hours away. I would love to find a source such as yours helluvawreck.

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helluvawreck

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#13 posted 11-16-2011 10:53 PM

lazyoak, before we got molders we use to make furniture and we used molding in the furniture. We had 7 shapers and all but one had powered feeders. By the time we figured set up time and cutter cost we just couldn’t see the cost/benefit ratio of making the molding unless it was a very simple profile. Two or three hundred linear feet of wood will go through a moulder in just a few minutes and the set up can be around $25 so it’s not that expensive. If the knives are already on hand that costs nothing. People like us have a lot of overhead and the only way to pay that overhead is to run your moulders. If your molding is not reasonably priced your molders don’t run. We make a little running the wood through the molder and we make a little profit off the wood. The customer gets the benefit of part of our purchasing power and we get part of it. Sooooo, most of the time every body is happy – unless we don’t get paid, we have a wreck with one of the molders or a breakdown, or somebody gets hurt.

Of course a lot of people want to just be able to say that they made it all from scratch and there is nothing at all wrong with that. Good luck with your project and I hope it all works out for you and that all of your woodworking ventures are profitable ones.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#14 posted 11-16-2011 11:17 PM

Like you I just love making my own stuff. But with us we build a bunch of kitchens and custom wall units that require custom moldings to dress things up nicely.

We run a woodmaster 725 7 hp. I am getting ready to cut a 10” wide radius molding, sort of to look like a pillar style deal for an island we are building.

I cannot say enough good things for our woodmaster. I have not been able to find any bad reviews. Changing from molding to planer is extremely easy and quick. We do not even own a separate planer. Any other planer that has been available for purchase would quickly pale in comparison to what my woodmaster is capable of.

I have never been sold on William and Hussey, it is a one trick pony. You could never plane any wide boards with a W and H.

I do see the Belsaw planer/molder a lot on CL. They are 5 hp motor units and no doubt a very strong machine.

Knives can be custom cut and I have a knife guy who cuts my knives for extremely reasonable inexpensive prices.

The Grizzly/Shop Fox machines are fully equiped with a 1 1/2 hp motor which really makes me take serious pause. My friend’s shop has the Shop Fox, and before I owned my Woodmaster, I needed a larger molding and he advised that he did not feel he could safely cut a larger molding on his Shop Fox because of the smaller motor. He explained that he had to make the cut in one pass and the larger molding knife would be just too much for his machine.

With my Woodmaster, I am able to take shallow passes on larger molding knives and I can dial down the conveyor belt to a slow crawl for maximum cuts per revolution. I just utilize one knife in my cutter head but the option exist for the woodmaster to run 2 cutters which further increases quality of cut. I personally have been astonished at the quality of cut that I achieve with just the one knife.

And, I am sure the woodmaster 718 would be very sufficient for you and not cost much more than the Grizzly that has less than 1/3 the power and less capability than the Woodmaster. Plus, Grizzly is an import and Woodmaster is USA built. I myself sold my Jet 15” planer when I bought my Woodmaster and bought the woodmaster on CL for what was a great deal.

Happy shopping

-- Jerry Nettrour, San Antonio, www.topqualitycabinets.net

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