Is diy getting dumbed down?

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05-01-2008 04:07 AM

When I moved back to the mainland, I was totally stoked to find the diy network. They had the tool show in the afternoons (I forgot the guy’s name), they had WoodWorks with David J. Marks, This Old House, and my favorite, New Yankee Workshop. This was the channel.

And now, we get Cool Tools with some comedian at the wheel making the tools bark. We also have the Today Show with Bob Vila and others trying their best not to appear too silly. They have a lot of stuff that probably belongs in HGTV.

WoodWorks is still there and its still one of my favorites. Hammered is very cool with those crazy brothers. They had it for a while, cancelled it, and now its back. This Old House is into repeating the same projects. And when finally they add a new project, they start repeating it ad nauseam. For the longest time, they repeated the Washington DC brownstone, the Cambridge, MA and another project, over and over and over. New Yankee Workshop is still the same, and they are repeating, but that is to be expected, and they are repeating with adequate separation.

The diy network is a premium channel in satellite systems (DirecTV), which means you pay extra to get to see it. I am on cable now, and uncertain whether it is a premium channel. But… I want the old diy network back! What about you?

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#1 posted 05-01-2008 04:22 AM

I love the DIY disaster show

I always wonder how many DIY disaters never get shown?

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#2 posted 05-01-2008 04:56 AM

It seems like it can go either way on DIY…..I do like to catch Holmes on Homes on Discovery Home….he’s a Canadian contractor who goes around fixing homes that people hired out other contractors and got ripped off…I like how he just goes off sometimes and he usally explains what the code says and how to do it right…not really a DIY show but tons of great tips on it

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#3 posted 05-01-2008 05:01 AM

I think it has been “dumbed down”, but more as a result of DIY becoming more mainstream than anything else. As more “newbies” venture out on the road to DIY, the networks try to tailor the shows to appeal to the largest cross-section of viewers and there respective skill sets.

I’ll offer a +1 on Holmes on Homes, great show. And having spent some time with Mike over the years, I can tell you that he really is one heck of a nice guy.


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#4 posted 05-01-2008 05:22 AM

i dont get DIY network…just HGTV…so I am jealous…I get the four saturday morning shows…but they appeal to me since I am a noob…and I am pretty dumb…so its a perfect combo!!! lol

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#5 posted 05-01-2008 05:59 AM

I used to love DIY but alas it has gotten itself stuck in a loop.

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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#6 posted 05-01-2008 08:24 AM

Yeah, I agree with Gary. But New Yankee recently started airing some new shows including a six(?) part series on kitchen cabinets that was real good. Holmes on Homes is great…nice to see one of our guys personally knows him. Some of the new remodling shows are good in their own way. The networks seem to be selling us on the “babes” though…which makes it a little more interesting. Especially in HDTV!

One thing I’ve found that makes it worthwhile is the DVR I have from Direct TV. You can program it to record your favorites to watch at your own leisure.

-- Bob Vila would be so proud of you!

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#7 posted 05-01-2008 01:08 PM

Good point Dadoo, if it wasn’t for Tivo I’d never see any of good shows. They seem to move them around periodically. But I think the whole DIY thing has gotten a tad silly. My boys deal in construction and home improvement and they often cringe at some of the thing the “experts” suggest and do. It’s a little scary sometimes. But David Marks and Norm Abrams make it worth my time to keep an eye on it.

-- Working at Woodworking

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#8 posted 05-01-2008 01:35 PM

DVR’s are the bomb. We don’t ever watch live television at my house….it’s always at least on a 20 minute delay so I can blast through the commercials. I don’t get the DIY network, but I love New Yankee Workshop, and This Old House, and Ask This Old House. But the DIY shows I see on other channel’s are definitely aimed at the total beginner. I think also they tend to over simplify some home improvement jobs, glossing over important details that might make someone think they can tackle a complicated task.


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#9 posted 05-01-2008 03:08 PM

Seems like there’s lots of program using 30something frustrated interior designers doing well intentioned but utterly horrific makeovers. I quit watching a couple years ago when on one program they were cutting a maple butcher block type countertop to length with a circular saw. The guy said “Maple is hard, so make sure you have extra blades.”

Extra blades!? It’s maple, not titanium!

They made the cut (don’t know how many blades they went thru) and the whole edge looked like burned toast. Now I know maple can burn, but this piece was just incinerated.

But it’s the American Way – take a good concept and keep doing it over and over until it becomes a farce.

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#10 posted 05-01-2008 03:40 PM

So… Boardman tell us what you really think… Don’t hold back now… :) lol

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#11 posted 05-01-2008 03:43 PM

It is owned by Scripps and unfortunately economics requires it go mainstream to secure audience share and get top $ from advertisers.

Besides DIY they own HGTV, Food network, and a host of publications and newspapers, as well as being an ABC affiliate. They also own United Media which maintains rights to quite a bit of syndication including Snoppy and Dilbert!!

Shopzilla on line is part of their online content.

It is a publically traded company listed on NYSE———

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#12 posted 05-01-2008 04:01 PM

Clay Shirky claims that the work that's gone into Wikipedia is about equivalent to the number of people hours spent watching the average hit sitcom. I figure the baseboards I’m reclaiming from mahogany box beams are going to be about the equivalent of me following a season of any TV show, and the cabinets will be several seasons.

So we don’t have an antenna hooked up to our TV, or cable. We watch the occasional movie, but in general I’d rather be futzing around in the shop.

Which brings us to the subject at hand: Even the much vaunted Norm will admit that he’s a carpenter first, woodworker second, and he’s probably the best of the bunch. Getting face time on a TV show has little to nothing to do with woodworking ability and tons to do with how personable you are on camera, so without competent writers in the background feeding the people on camera actual useful information, you as the viewer aren’t getting any useful information.

And, at least on the topic of woodworking, most of those competent people are probably not hanging out in Manhattan or LA. In fact,, I’d bet many many more of them are writing on Lumberjocks (or FOG or Sawmill Creek) than for the DIY channel.

-- Dan Lyke, Petaluma California,

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#13 posted 05-01-2008 05:57 PM


My favourite used to be Lisa Matthews with the bathroom remodels. But it seems like she’s started taking every advantage to lean over in low cut tops. The shows are still okay, but there’s too much play to her bod and not enough to what she’s doing.

Some of the DIY shows are plain crap.

-- Made lots of sawdust and pounded some nails. Haven't finished anything, though.

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#14 posted 05-01-2008 06:26 PM

I love when they paint over a nice piece of wood with purple paint :(

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#15 posted 05-01-2008 06:57 PM

I traded HDTV for the cost of additional 50 channels on dish network so the bill stayed the same jsut to get the DIY channel. I am sad to say I am not impressed with the show line up, although I do like Amy I would rather see some useful information sometimes. Cool tools is all but a joke, they need a new host that is more into information than craking jokes. I am not sure he actually knows what some of the tools he shows really do nor has her every used one !

I kinda rank it up there with the discovery channel, man I used to be glued to it…they had shows that fed the brain on space, animals and such, shows you leared from….now what do we get???? mindless shows like “american chopper”, “american hotrod” and for a short while “american beauity shop”. I have sinced stop checking the line up since I can get “realality” shows on fox and nbc. The history channels seem to have stuck to the roots so all may not be lost yet.


-- It seem's I just make scrap wood and saw dust most of the time !

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