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Forum topic by HorizontalMike posted 11-06-2011 07:36 PM 3254 views 0 times favorited 293 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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HorizontalMike

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11-06-2011 07:36 PM

Topic tags/keywords: politics fairness doctrine equal time rule personal attack rule

While I understand that the large majority of Non-Shop Talk is NOT about politics, nearly ALL of the political ”discussion” is dominated by a very few individuals who espouse radical/extreme views typical of the FOX “news”, without regard to being neither factual nor balanced. Promoters of this same radical/extreme agenda are also of the same party that dismantled the legislation/rules referenced below.

With THAT in mind, I ask:

1. Should we bring back the Fairness Doctrine?

2. Should we bring back the Equal Time Rule?

3. Should we bring back the Personal Attack Rule?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."


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David Grimes

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#1 posted 11-06-2011 07:58 PM

Yes, all three should be brought back to broadcast, cable and even streaming venues of television and radio.

The internet, however would not be conducive to these rules IMO. And in particular, Lumberjocks should not be held to that. Hypothetical example: cr1 posts 192 lines of R leaning banter bait, then nobody can post until Hmike and Topa spew 192 lines of theirs ? It wouldn’t work. ;=) :=)

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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jeepturner

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#2 posted 11-06-2011 08:03 PM

I don’t want a button to hide non shop talk, I just want a button to hide all CR1 posts. I can block some members from posting on my post but I can’t block their non shop posts. I would like to see some kind of ratio rule. In that I would like to see that a certain amount of activity be wood/project related.

-- Mel,

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IrreverentJack

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#3 posted 11-06-2011 08:20 PM

Would a Don’t Lie rule work? Probably not. I’m thinking if folks are determined to ‘pee in the pool’ – give them their own pool. To have the non-shop forum contaminated by posts showing no respect for the truth or other members is a shame.

Martin – Please create a separate forum for political posts and make it easy to hide for those of us that don’t want that to be part of our Lumber Jocks experience. -Jack

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#4 posted 11-06-2011 08:29 PM

I’d love to see all three in effect but like David says, I can’t see it happening. I really hate to hear that members would like to entirely block another member’s topics. I don’t doubt that your reasons are sound; it just saddens me a bit. I don’t block anyone but there are a few people who’s posts I just skim, to prevent myself from getting worked up. It’s pretty clear that something’s got to give here; I’ll be fine whichever way admin goes. I just like the conversation; I’ll talk about knitting if you want to;)

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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David Grimes

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#5 posted 11-06-2011 09:37 PM

Al, I never knew! You secret keeper you !

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#6 posted 11-06-2011 10:05 PM

Libs love that “Fairness Doctrine”...when they can’t compete in the marketplace because their message is not being absorbed the way they want, they want to diminish opposing views.

They want equality in results ( their ideology) as opposed to equality of opportunity ( free market ).

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#7 posted 11-06-2011 10:13 PM

Sorta like telling a grocery store that, if they carry butter brand A they also must carry brand B and C, when B and C may not sell as well.
Kinda dumb, IMO.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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RockyTopScott

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#8 posted 11-06-2011 11:14 PM

Good analogy Gene. More importantly they want to force us to buy one each of A, B and C even if we only like brand A.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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HorizontalMike

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#9 posted 11-06-2011 11:16 PM

I am sorry if I was not clear. What I am actually asking is what is needed “On the National Level”, though my analogy was indeed on how things have transpired on LJs as a microcosm.

The dismantling of the above rules CAN, at least in theory, work at all levels and for either party, but the reality of finances has skewed such perceived equality only into the pockets of the rich (1%?) who can afford such expenditures on ”freedom of speech” issues. The rest of us appear to be left READING what has been prepared for us by those with the means to pursue ($$$) their freedom of speech in the media. At least that is MY opinion. So, should Congress take this topic up once again?

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#10 posted 11-06-2011 11:34 PM

There should be no laws that favor one person’s or entity’s viewpoint over another. The market should dictate what is built, sold and consumed.

For example, (this is not an ideology example just and example) if CNBC wants to increase their viewership they should consider changing the product they deliver as it is clear their ongoing reduced ratings are a result of the consumer not buying what they are selling.

CNBC should be given equal opportunity with their competitors but no one should, via legistlation, be guaranteed equal results as measured normally by their respective industries.

The purchases on Chevy VOLTS has been underwhelming because no one wants what they are selling. FORD F150s are rolling out of the dealerships because it is a product people actually want.

Free markets always produce the best results because free people can do business with other free people and when both can consumate the transaction on mutual terms, they both feel it is beneficial.

We are in the problem we are in because government/politicians (both parties) has been doing too much manipulation of the market.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 11-06-2011 11:46 PM

Rocky,
To follow your example then, there should be a series of private armies in this country and the best one wins control over the USA?... Surely you jest…

National media is NO different than National armies OR National/State Governments. They ALL have duties beyond their own profitability and for the National good. You sound very much like someone who does NOT understand national service, be it in the military or civilian, IMO.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 11-07-2011 12:19 AM

Media has no duty to anyone other than to their shareholders.

They should have some responsibility for communicating in the event of a disaster, but in terms of everyday activities, the media owes no person (or government) in this country anything.

They should be granted an approriate license and compete for customers. No subsidies, no special treatment, no nothing. They have a product that people want to buy, it is as simple (or should be) as that.

We need to stop giving preferences. Let the market decide winners and losers, not government.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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HorizontalMike

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#13 posted 11-07-2011 01:32 AM

Rocky SAID: #1. Media has no duty to anyone other than to their shareholders.
AND: #2. They [MEDIA] should have some responsibility for communicating in the event of…

Sorry Rocky, you can NOT have it BOTH ways, but thank you for acknowledging that the Media DOES INDEED HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES to the American public.

You are correct that the media should have responsibility toward the American public, BUT you can’t cherry pick what you want and don’t want. And that is just what the Republican’s under Reagan did via the FCC and Presidential veto.

Hence my questions regarding the Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time Rule, and Personal Attack Rule regarding the MEDIA.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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S4S

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#14 posted 11-07-2011 02:12 AM

!!

This tune is dedicated to cr1; a political propagandist extraordinaire , master baiter , and my favorite court reporter . Love ya man !

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RockyTopScott

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#15 posted 11-07-2011 02:13 AM

I will clarify what I meant Mike…not trying to have it both ways.

In the event of a national disaster the government should be able to get help from the media, railroads, police, firefighters, private pilots etc.

Any media form should not be required to provide such things as a public service announcement on subject X.

I know most do to convey they care about the public in general, but in no way should they be required to do so.

I am all about equal opportunity, but no way should government legislate equal results.

If AIR AMERICA can gain listeners and sell adequate advertising they should exist. If not they should fold.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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