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thedude50

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11-02-2011 08:27 AM

Like all of you I have watched my net worth shrink to an alarming low as all my property’s have shrunk in value to a depression style low. I have to ask will a new president help this situation and will we fix the cost of healthcare in our country will we put America back to work I need to know. Unemployment has hit 25 percent in my town and many people are becoming homeless. i see them in the car at the store all night and in then mall all day during the summer just to stay cool . 15 stores have closed in our local mall this past year. the trade deficit with china is killing us and still we do nothing to fix it. During my lifetime we were almost this bad under carter and now under Obama we are even worse. the fed has held interest rates at the bottom to preserve the economy
I don’t know if the beast can be saved if it is to be saved we need a great leader even greater than Ronald Regan I feel I gave this president the benefit of my doubts and was only proven right by this collapse of the housing market my 760 thousand dollar home is worth 300k this month it declined in value another 7kn when will the bleeding stop. Is there a great leader in this bunch who can save us, I don’t care what party they are in we need a great leader to get us out of this hole.I have made no choice yet who should be the man to get us out of this mess have you? Who is he?

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TheBossQ

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#1 posted 11-02-2011 03:38 PM

I do not like Obama. But he is not the problem. The American people are the problem. Too lazy to vote, and too dumb to see past the BS that continues to put crooks into positions of authority/influence/leadership.

I asked a girl in my office what she thought of the Mayoral candidates in my city. Her answer, verbatim: “Oh, I just go down the list and vote for whoever is a Democrat.” She didn’t even know the names of the people running for Mayor. Or any other office for that matter. But by golly, if one’s a Democrat, she’s voting for him/her.

Obama is her hero. She said this. I asked why. She said, “I just think he’s so inspirational”. Sweet, cue the music. This girl has a Master’s degree. From Disneyland apparently.

I continued to ask strangers, along the way the next couple days, what they thought of the Mayoral candidates. I wish I’d kept count. But it was easy to count those that knew anything. The number was two. An elderly couple. And that was it. Two people out of at least a couple dozen.

After much deliberation, I cannot vote for the Democrat. But at least I know why.

We, as a Nation, are in big trouble.

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CharlieM1958

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#2 posted 11-02-2011 05:29 PM

TheBossQ: You are so right. But I think part of the problem is that the population in general has lost interest in the election process because they feel like things never really change no matter who they vote for.

Our founding fathers envisioned a government where average citizens would take turns holding political office. But now pretty much all we have is career politicians whose every vote is based not on what is best for the country, but on what is best for their own political futures.

Even when the rare ‘good guy” manages to get elected, he soon finds that he is powerless to accomplish anything unless he sacrifices his integrity by making backroom deals with his colleagues.

And yes, unfortunately, too many people are like sheep. They vote for the candidate with the best name recognition and/or the best 30-second sound bites. Or, like the woman in your office, they would vote for Charles Manson as llong as he had the correct party affiliation.

The only solution I see is to have strict term limits on everybody. And no changing jobs to get around it (as in a congressman serving a term then running for the senate). But how do we ever get legislation like that passed by the same bums who never want to leave office?

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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Bertha

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#3 posted 11-02-2011 05:36 PM

I couldn’t agree more with all three of you. I vote and I vote informed, all the while secretly thinking it’s a waste of time; and it always is. I see an epidemic of apathy and entitlement. I can’t bear to think of it for too long, so I give myself little tidbits like this thread every few days or so. Got to preserve my sanity, you know, so I can WORK and provide for everyone.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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steviep

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#4 posted 11-02-2011 05:50 PM

I think most of us are in that camp, Al. I have found the internet age to be a hindrance to (good) information. So much more info and 98% cleverly partisan slanted.

I dread the year before elections anymore. So much negativity.

-- StevieP ~ Micheal Tompkins - you were not here on earth long but left a giant mark on us. RIP Brother

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Bertha

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#5 posted 11-02-2011 06:55 PM

^so true, StevieP. When I’m comparing candidates, I go amost exclusively by 1) what they claim to be about and 2) their record. Both are pretty easy to obtain on the internet but like you, that’s where I draw the line. If there’s a discrepancy between 1) and 2) or there’s not real record at all, that worries me (see current President for example).

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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superstretch

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#6 posted 11-02-2011 07:13 PM

Its easy to blame other people or circumstances for things that are going wrong. Yes, in many cases, we don’t have a huge influence over what happens, but the responsibility falls to us to do what is right and make well-informed, wise decisions.

Unfortunately, it will take something on a much grander scale to get the gen pop smarter, more interested, and more discerning with their votes. Another revolutionary war, perhaps.

OWS, while not necessarily sharing my views, is a good start to reform.. but many are becoming self-proclaimed martyrs because they were locked up overnight or got caught up in some tear gas. People like Patrick Henry would have laughed, pushed them aside, and shown them what real liberty is about.

Instead, we see this:

As for getting the bums out of office, all it takes is a change in the vote. It boggles my mind how Ted Kennedy was in office for so long.. and how Rangel still is.. real revolution needs to take place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG2PUZoukfA <—He can do it.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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popmandude

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#7 posted 11-02-2011 11:27 PM

Yeah..What cr said. 4 years of this on top of the 8 years of pure B.S. before, and I am afraid there won’t be much left for the next monkey.

Randy

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DrDirt

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#8 posted 11-03-2011 12:06 AM

Yep big problems and our current president really takes the cake.

Problem is even if voters are well informed, the political machine gives us only 2 “predetermined” choices from the powers that be, behind the scenes. Yes third parties exist “on paper” but there really are only 2 choices for national office.

Look at the last election – What would McCain have accomplished to stem the job losses?

-- "If we did all the things we are capable of doing, we would literally astonish ourselves." Edison

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RockyTopScott

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#9 posted 11-03-2011 01:47 AM

Obama knows exactly what he is doing…fundamentally changing America.

I always wanted the first black president to be Thomas Sowell..but that dream has passed.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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dakremer

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#10 posted 11-03-2011 02:38 AM

Obama who?

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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Moron

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#11 posted 11-03-2011 03:09 AM

I’m not an American, but I have American roots, and family that is, and many friends who are Americans.

You guys always seem to blame the current president, be he/she a democrat or a republican when really, as always, the current president inherits all the problems of previous administrations. Couple that, with a congress, a house of representatives and a senate, all, or some, with opposing political views, which most often result in a stalemate. So the president is castrated before he even takes office.

Americans are one of the LEAST taxed nations on this planet. We, just north of thew 49th, pay tax, every dime we make from January 1st………..right through till some time in June before we get to keep a dime and I dont like it but………..You guys want jobs, you want roads and hospitals, schools and universities, armed forces, a space program, police, sidewalks and garbage pick up…………..but you dont want to pay tax. When you dont make any money, as a rule, you dont pay tax and when you do make money, you dont pay tax.

You all own big screen TVs, washers, dryers, toasters, microwaves, ipods and blackberries,…………but you dont want to pay an arm and a leg for it/them…………..so they make em in China/Asia/Mexico cause thats the only way you could afford them and you hate China, that almost owns you. If you took your national debt, all of your states debts, city debts, rural debts and personal debts…………your near bankrupt.

I am my own worst enemy and I know that. You should realize the same thing and stop blaming the figure head you call a president. Do like me, look in the mirror, and see who the enemy is.

If you dont like it, change it, move where there is work. The world doesnt owe me a thing, and it doesnt owe you either.

Occupy wall street.

Here comes the flak.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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RockyTopScott

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#12 posted 11-03-2011 03:35 AM

One of our probems is we elect intellectuals who have wonderful ideas but have never produced anything in their lives, other than their own self admiration for their so- called brilliance.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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Jim Jakosh

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#13 posted 11-03-2011 03:44 AM

I would like to see Warren Buffet or someone from manufacturing or business in the President’s seat. We need to get away from lifetime politicians. They think they are Royalty and they suck the treasury dry and spend what they don’t have. my 2 cents worth!!

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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TheDane

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#14 posted 11-03-2011 05:33 AM

I have found it astonishing the way so many voters went hook, line, and sinker for BO’s BS.

In my judgment, he is just an empty suit.

What we have in this country is a crisis of confidence … millions of people have no confidence in either Obama or the Congress, the banking and financial institutions, local and state governments. The paralysis is deadly, and I’m afraind it won’t turn around until there is new leadership.

The thing that Ronald Reagan brought to this country more than anything else was hope and a sense of pride. We need a leader today that can play that role the way the Gipper did.

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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David Grimes

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#15 posted 11-03-2011 06:50 AM

We certainly do need a real hero that can truly lead (and be followed with head held high).

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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