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Forum topic by CharlieM1958 posted 10-28-2011 04:35 PM 2772 views 0 times favorited 80 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-28-2011 04:35 PM

Martin, MsDebbie, et al:

I hope you take this constructive criticism in the spirit it is intended. I realize you can’t please everyone, but I don’t believe the new practice of hiding non-shop talk post titles in the main forum window is going to please either side too well.

For folks like me who like to go to the main forum page and view all the topics, now I can’t tell which non-shop topics I wan’t to read, and which I want to skip, without going specifically to the non-shop talk forum page. I’m sure even the people who don’t want religious or political posts are going to want see some of the non-shop topics, like the current photography postings, for example.

And for those who want only woodworking topics, they still have to wade through all the same clutter, just without the actual titles.

I know you guys are trying, but I don’t think this is quite it.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#1 posted 10-28-2011 04:39 PM

Couldn’t agree more Charlie my friend !

don s. havana fl porchfish@porchfish studio

-- The pig caught under the fence is always the one doing all the squealing !

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#2 posted 10-28-2011 04:53 PM

Me too, Charlie. I had to open all of them this morning to catch up on the ones I’m interested in. The tree scenery isn’t one of them. – lol

-- Adversity doesn't build reveals it.

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#3 posted 10-28-2011 05:25 PM

Ditto, and Charlie.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#4 posted 10-28-2011 05:27 PM

I’m with you Charlie. Even on my own postings I don’t know which one is which.

-- I've been blessed with a father who liked to tinker in wood, and a wife who lets me tinker in wood. Southern Delaware soon moving to Virginia †

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#5 posted 10-28-2011 05:42 PM

Completely agree Charlie. I still think the best option is to either have non-shop talk as a seperate tab and viewable only through this tab or have a user account setting to hide non-shop talk threads from forum listings.

-- - Eric Noblesville, IN

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#6 posted 10-28-2011 06:22 PM

Yes Charlie. The navigation and selection could be improved and I am sure some thought has been put into improving. I am confident that we will all be satisfied with any new features, but be advised, some things take time and can have to be worked on in times when site maintenance and upkeep allows it.
I think the “powers that be” have received the message and will do their best to accommodate everyone, just be patient and keep off their backs. Keeping the site working is their #1 priority, any new features are secondary and have to be thoroughly tested before they can be introduced.
Patience people.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#7 posted 10-28-2011 06:55 PM

Rex, I’m not sure that any of the posts showed impatience. Charlie introduced the topic very appropriately and expressed gratitude to the powers that be for their strides in this issue. If you polled 100 users of the site about how to address the off-topic posts, I’m sure you’d get as many different answers, yet like Charlie, I just don’t see how this really solves anything.

But, as always, Rex, you are very correct to point out how much we should be appreciative of those who maintain this site. They’re doing an excellent job and offer such a wonderful service free of charge to the users.

-- "hold fast to that which is good"

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#8 posted 10-28-2011 07:06 PM

Yes Brandon, Charlie comes up with some good ideas (even though he’s a Cajun lol) and we have a great relationship.
The backroom guys at this site always bend over backwards to accommodate our requests and I’m sure if it was that easy, we would have the solution now. However, priority must be given to the daily functioning of the site and we all have to show patience. All will be well and I think that to keep harping on the subject just brings bad vibes.

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#9 posted 10-28-2011 07:58 PM

Actually, I have a suggestion for a Non-Shop type area that maybe could be called ”My World
I have always viewed opponents of no-shop topics as being too focused on the item with little regard to the maker. He/She may make projects that you like, but what’s behind it all, what and who is the person, what is their environment? These are things where Non-Shop talk should be made.
It could be a place where LJs from all over the world can “educate” LJ folks and give them a background of ”Their World”.
Things like where they are, the history, area, countryside pics, local traditions and specific woods, objects and customs ….... the list is endless. Only post what you would like to share.
Not everyone here at LJs has had the luck to travel to different parts of their own country, let alone other parts of the world, so the imagination runs wild trying to think of what that area is like etc..

For instance, anyone not knowing Alaska might imagine everyone lives in an igloo and is surround by ice and snow, or, an LJ from Africa imagined as being surrounded by wild animals.

Maybe some of you won’t like the idea, but for me it makes that LJ much more interesting than just a show of their projects.

Has anyone got any thoughts about this???

As an example of what I am talking about, Martin is in Slovakia, ever been there? It would be great he would post some info about his area, some pics, local customs, traditional crafts, festivals etc., another endless list.
Don’t you think such a post would be worthwhile?

-- Roger-R, Republic of Texas. "Always look on the Bright Side of Life" - An eyeball to eyeball confrontation with a blind person is as complete waste of Time.

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#10 posted 10-28-2011 09:07 PM

I don’t care about your world, Roger, because I’m in my own world, or so my wife is always telling me. Like I tell her, it’s okay because they know me there. Plus, I’m in charge.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#11 posted 10-28-2011 09:47 PM

100% with you Charlie

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#12 posted 10-28-2011 10:59 PM

The non-shop talk area is a great area for some human interest or even personal interest discussions. I remember and appreciate the many kind words or support I received from my LJ friends when I informed this board that my dad had died. I appreciate hearing about some of the personal experiences, good and bad, of my LJ friends. I remember my concern and the concern of many when we read of the challenges that a1Jim’s son was facing.

It would be good to have a place for these discussions.

However, I have absolutely no interest in controversial political or religious discussions on this board. I do woodworking and come to the website to get away from that stuff.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#13 posted 10-29-2011 12:12 AM

this is a temporary “quick fix”.
Remember that we initially had the non-shop talk separate but it sent the server into a tizzy so it had to be “re-included” in the list.
Martin then did the “title change” to identify non-shop talk discussions to help individuals ignore the discussions.
Rather than jumping to another “quick fix” there has been lots of thought put into how it will look and how to keep all the members AND the server happy :)

Thanks for your patience—and feedback.

-- ~ Debbie, Canada (

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#14 posted 10-29-2011 12:23 AM

I’ve seen more than a few other forums that break out “politics and religion” as a completely separate forum.

Then, you can select the actual forums whose posts you want to see, at all—whether it be on a pulse page, or anything similar—allowing you to focus on those subjects that are of interest to you.

-- -- Neil

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#15 posted 10-29-2011 01:04 AM

For me, this works. Although I was fine before the latest change so maybe I’m easy to please. I like seeing what is going on, but all I have to do is hit hit the non-shop forum and all the titles are there to see.

One mouse click is not too much work for me.

Just another opinion – worth what you paid for it.

-- Steve - Impatience is Expensive

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