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Forum topic by Moron posted 10-27-2011 03:23 AM 1317 views 0 times favorited 29 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-27-2011 03:23 AM

Pardon my grammar, Typing isnt my forte, neither is spelling

I cant speak for others but job site stress can freak me out. Its our job to be the last guy in. Its our job to make what others &^%$ed, look good again and that is often challenging because the dude that made a mess is standing there beside you and they are the distant cousin of the sister in laws nephew so one cant always call a spade a spade can they but they can be pushed that far if people so choose.

Ever have a guy at a job site who lays tile, and they think they know everything. Ever try having a dialog with some one who knows everything ? Well you cant have a conversation, you can only listen to the monologue cuz there is no such thing as a dialogue : (

I often find that those who think they know everything, will not stop talking until every one in the room is convinced, they are expensive because they stop trades form focusing on what they do, they go through long monologues explaining why they did things the way they did, they had the answer from the start.

I instantly think, to myself……..(What a dick, and y me, dear God, Why me ?…….Why do I have to listen to this shit ? )

The ultimate stress level is where the client, is spending half a million on a custom home, where the trades who did the mudding of the drywall joints, laid the paper across the corners did a bang up, piss poor job, so much mud, you need to put a big ass taper on the back of the baseboard other wise the crap is listing at 8 degrees or u need a “WHACK” of DAP.

What should a nice trim job be worth in a half a million dollar home? ………Just labour ?……….what should the budget be in a halh a million dollar home?………….any ideas ?………..Cux I have an idea of how much thats worth, a real good idea which brings me back to job site stress.

Sadly the kitchen is by others, and I got to watch the “High End” kitchen go in by the master installers, the “in” crowd. Yup, certianly high end when it arrived, the owners of it still refer to it as a “Master Piece”. I got to watch. I kept my shut, with the exception of this forum I kept my shut.

I watched the pieces file in the door and listened to the “Master” tell the client, that there was a problem in that it wasnt calculated into the equation that no deducted the depth of the concrete floor that buries the radient heat tubing, nor did they deduct the thickness of the drywall on the ceiling and the hardwood on the floor, which meant cutting off just a few inches. ……………we just wont put the trim piece of the gable of the fridge ?……………I couldnt believe my ears, when the “Master” passed on the cost of the “alterations” with the help of the tiler, to the customer ?

I watched these masters of their craft ( and apparently every other craft) , butcher a kitchen, throw dust across the room, leave hardwood flooring unprotected from the perils of an install, I watched them cut a hole in the ceiling of the drywall, never covered the hardwood , the 300 pound man, grinding his boot into the chunks of debris into the floor………………..powerless, to say a thing.

At or near the end of any big reno or build, the client, the owners, they are often mentally “$#@^ing Fried”, done, without shame, tears, just spent. Dealing with that, near the end, can be stressful. I watched the master rip apart a unit that holds a flip up, piece of hardware for a Kitchen Aid Mix Master


-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#1 posted 10-27-2011 04:01 AM

i feel your pain…some people are so stupid. Its probably the best redeming quality of my current unemployed situation is not having to deal with the stress provided by the people around you who are just idiots.

-- It's made of wood. Real sturdy.--Chubbs Peterson

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#2 posted 10-27-2011 04:04 AM

Usually all it takes to be a master at something is to be a master at bullshit and charge more than anyone else.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#3 posted 10-27-2011 04:15 AM

I can relate.The company I work for is 2 people,the owner and me.Were there from start to finish normally helping with the basement to doing touchup before they move in.We dont do the plumbing/hvac,drywall finishing,or painting,but usually everything else.I trim out by myself and absolutely hate when a drywaller just slaps mud around corners etc.I always scrape alot of it off to try to keep away from having to taper base.I cannot stand to see a gap between the base and wall so if its white base i caulk,if its stained-major scraping.

4 yrs ago a homeowner requested we let their buddy install the kitchen,cool we had other stuff to do.Its the most embarrassing kitchen in any of the homes we have built.Gapped crown-major now,stiles not flush and tight,not level etc.They were “Master Carpenters” older guys that seemed to know it all,and acted like I knew nothing because I was in my late 20s.At the end I told them everything about the job they did that I did not like and I think since I wasnt the one paying them(homeowner connect) they took it to heart.
My dentist bought that house last year and she loves that kitchen-lol.

-- I don't drive a Prius.

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#4 posted 10-27-2011 04:48 AM

I hear you, and I hope you feel better just getting that off your chest. Sometimes it just seems like nobody takes pride in their work anymore.

-- Charlie M. "Woodworking - patience = firewood"

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#5 posted 10-27-2011 04:56 AM

I think some of those guys worked on my house. I stopped by when they were framing and they put the door frame for the door from our kitchen to our deck on the wrong wall.

I stopped by at lunch the day the guys installing the counter tops were putting our kitchen bar top on and they were getting ready to stack concrete blocks on the laminate top to hold it down while the adhesive cured. I stopped them and went out to the garage for cardboard boxes to cover the bar top. I couldn’t believe they were going to stack those rough blocks on the laminate.

When we were doing the final walk through and my wife pointed out we were missing several of the recessed lights in the kitchen and hallway. Turns out they were there, but under the drywall.

Our builder had a reputation of having the best subs. I’d hate to see the worst ones!

I don’t know how you do it. I couldn’t work around these guys (bozos) without stressing out.

-- Dan - Valparaiso, Indiana, "A smart man changes his mind, a fool never does."

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#6 posted 10-27-2011 04:56 AM

unfortunately there are too many tradesmen out there and too many “masters” and some are far from either. been there, seen that.

But then you get to a job site and see some cabinetmakers to a terrific job and it’s just so nice standing there and watching then and the cabinets and appreciate TRUE craftsmenship.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#7 posted 10-27-2011 05:21 AM

still no guesses on what a 550k house is worth to trim,….assuming there is trim ?

when you live in isolation, it becomes harder to mail a fathers day card and get the address right : )…………kidding

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#8 posted 10-27-2011 06:21 AM

I am really OCD and like things done right the first time…...........But you guys better stop talking about my brother because he has done it all seen it all knows it all, if you don’t believe me just ask him he will tell you so, you have to ask though because I can’t stand to talk to him…..

-- I just don't understand. I have cut it 3 times and it is still to short.

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#9 posted 10-27-2011 07:25 AM

I’m starting to like pens

its at least a “starting” point

22,000 members, 15,000 can make one ?


multiply that by the amount of exotic wood it takes to make one

multiply that by the amount of people who aren’t a member of this fine forum, and its a big ass chunk of wood.

i do apologize for telling anyone, who might be so inclined to shut the %$#@ up,….to speak up …….I find it far more entertaining if you speak up. That should be what a job site is………… avoid, costly errors…… please do list a grievance pile and I will forward it to HR.

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#10 posted 10-27-2011 07:29 AM

Trim work for that house would be $ 18,950 , finished in two weeks , which would actually run into 6+ weeks at intervals ,between rounds of golf and working on other Call Backs to fix the “masters” fu’s on other jobs. If your BS tolerance gets thin, just take the rest of the day off and go drink at the VFW or pool hall . You will find a sympathetic ear. Always worked for me . By the way…....i like that word ‘burble’ ! Nice to see you posting again .

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#11 posted 10-27-2011 08:00 AM

i looked at a job recently, where the potential client, claimed the finish carpenter did what I couldn’t do in 2 months, …………….a perfectly trimmed job, multiple coffered celings with crown and beams, 4 sets of stairs nicely done, wainscotting, kitchen install…………….in 5 fkg days for 6 K with her hubby as a helper

I call BS

-- "Good artists borrow, great artists steal”…..Picasso

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#12 posted 10-27-2011 08:15 AM

Super BS. Total lie .

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#13 posted 10-27-2011 08:20 AM

Moron…. Thats more than just BS I always found it amazing that clients would tell me that while I was there bidding a job for them. At the point they started telling me that crap I would say why are you talking to me if the other guy was so good where is he???

-- I just don't understand. I have cut it 3 times and it is still to short.

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#14 posted 10-27-2011 08:37 AM

I would tell her that she might want to have her jewelry appraised , and check hubby’s bank statement to see where the rest of that money went…and to whom. lol

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#15 posted 10-27-2011 08:59 AM

Moron, Try adding 4 or 5 “0”s to the price and you can watch stupidity on a grandiose scale. Total imbeciles with IQs lower than their ages doing everything you are talking about, plus the general contractors superintendent trying to make a name for himself pushes sheetrock before the building is fully dried in. Rain gets to the bottoms of the walls while they are painting! Everyone gets done in record time. Owner is about to move in, but just one thing; the walls are full of mold. All the Sheetrock has to come out and be replaced!!

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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