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Liogier

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1035 days ago

Topic tags/keywords: liogier hand stitched rasps

For my first message, by way of introduction, here is a short video showing what I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pzK2Ei19t4

-- Noël Liogier, http://www.liogier-france.com


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 1035 days ago

Welcome aboard, this is some beautiful work. makes you appreciate the tools when you see what work was put into making them

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#2 posted 1034 days ago

c’est magnifique!

-- Mike

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brtech

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#3 posted 1034 days ago

I was surprised to see how easily the teeth in the rasp are punched. It seems to take so little force to punch it. You show the hardening after the punching, but the un-heat treated blank seems incredibly soft.

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Liogier

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#4 posted 1034 days ago

Right Brtech, steel is not that hard before heat-treatment. The key is also to resharpen the punch (we call it “grain of barley” because of the shape we do it in order to obtain the correct shape of teeth) very often.
The harder part actually is to be steadily accurate in the power you put in the hammer blow so the hight of the teeth remains perfectly equal, otherwise the rasp is just worth to be scrapped.

-- Noël Liogier, http://www.liogier-france.com

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ChuckM

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#5 posted 1034 days ago

Someone has done a review on the Liogier vs the Auriou rasps: http://www.woodworkforums.com/f12/group-buy-liogier-rasps-france-141141/

Don’t know the 20% discount mentioned in the price chart is still valid, though.

-- The time I enjoy wasting is not time wasted

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FenceFurniture

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#6 posted 1034 days ago

G’day All

I’m not certain if this fits in with the advertising guidelines (I think it should, as it’s non-profit). I can see no reason why you guys can’t participate in our Group Buy from Liogier, and enjoy that 20% discount. You could send your money to a trusted member, for forwarding to France, and my spreadsheet can keep it all very organised for you. We are midway through our Group Buy, and have submitted two orders so far. I may be in Sydney, but email is email.

The summary from our reviewer (Claw Hama – a respected professional Furniture Maker) was “superior to the Auriou, and less expensive”). A few weeks later (a few days ago) he went on to say that “the Liogier #8 took off more timber in less time than the coarser Auriou #6”.

What do you think?

Cheers, FF

-- PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION ON SAW FILES http://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

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JSilverman

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#7 posted 1028 days ago

is there a US outlet/distributor of these rasps?

thanks

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FenceFurniture

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#8 posted 1028 days ago

I don’t know if there is a distributor in the US, but Liogier could answer that. If there is, the prices won’t be anything like what we can get them for in the Group Buy (20% off the web price), and even more importantly they can’t stock the whole range (probably only a very small part) or do any custom work (such as smaller curved rasps e.g. Modeller’s).

-- PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION ON SAW FILES http://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

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JSilverman

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#9 posted 1028 days ago

FF
how can I find out more about this group buy thing? does it work for “Yanks” or just for Ausies?

thanks
Jeff

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FenceFurniture

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#10 posted 1028 days ago

Hi Jeff

Yes, it’s for the US as well. The US guys would send their payments direct to Liogier in France. For the sake of a better exchange rate and less/no fees one of your members could accumulate all the money and send one payment through Forex or similar. If there are only a small amount of orders, then it could still be charged to a credit card by Liogier. To give an example of what I mean, I use OzForex, and the minimum transfer is $2000. The exchange rate seems to be perhaps 2% better than credit card, and with no fees at all.

My role is to organise all the orders, send out the pricelist spreadsheet etc, which can be done by email anywhere in the world of course.

The International Freight to the US will have to be worked out, but should be pretty good. Please note that any prices for freight on the Liogier website refer to delivery within Europe only. What we are doing for the Aussie members is getting them all sent to me, to economise the freight, and then I am going to post them to the Aussie members. It may turn out that freight to the US is cheap enough to send them direct to US members from France, rather than send them to one of your members for on-posting.

You can send me an email to brettinkat “at” gmail.com and I can forward to you the pricelist.

HTH, but happy to answer other questions.

Regards, FF

-- PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION ON SAW FILES http://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

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Brit

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#11 posted 1028 days ago

Lovely to see these skills are still practiced. Thanks for giving us an insight into the making of these great tools.

-- Andy -- Old Chinese proverb say: If you think something can't be done, don't interrupt man who is doing it.

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RGtools

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#12 posted 1028 days ago

That was five minutes very well spent. Good rasps have been on my wishlist for a very long time.

What’s a good all around rasp for a furniture maker?

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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FenceFurniture

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#13 posted 1028 days ago

Hi RG, I’m no expert on this at all, but I know that Noel (Liogier) would say 10” or 12” Cabinet Makers, and if you want one only rasp then probably 8 to 10 grain. When following one rasp with another finer one (perhaps even of a different shape) I know that Noel recommends an increase of 3 in the grain size. So you might go Cab.Mak 8g, Half-Round 11g and Modellers 14g for example.

-- PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION ON SAW FILES http://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

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RGtools

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#14 posted 1028 days ago

Thanks. That’s about where I was thinking.

-- Make furniture that lasts as long as the tree - Ryan

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FenceFurniture

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#15 posted 1028 days ago

A few words about the coatings:
The Liogier rasps come in three finishes:

1. “Traditional” which is high carbon steel (as you would expect, and like other leading Rasp makers). These are 60 Rockwell hardness.

2. “Titan” which is the same steel but sent off for a coating which increases the cutting edge hardness to 72 Rockwell, and Liogier states that it doubles the life of the rasp. As you can see on the website, this looks like a metallic finish.

3. “Sapphire” gets a similar treatment to Titan, but the edge hardness is a whopping 3800 Vickers. Tungsten Carbide is 2283 Vickers according to Wikipedia. This finish is like an Electric Blue, hence the name. Again, the website states that this gives a 4x life to the rasp.

For me, one of the most important features of the coatings, is the extended life for only a small(ish) % increase in price. These tools are not quite as easy to procure as lobbing into the local hardware (and ours are crap, believe me), so I want the tool to last as long as possible (apart from the fact that it makes long term economic sense).

A hugely significant benefit of the coatings is that they don’t rust, and assist with keeping the tool clear of chips. Cleaning resins and other moisture from a bare steel tool is imperitive.

In his review on our forum, “Claw Hama” (Mark, who is a professional furniture maker) was comparing a brand new Auriou #6 with a Liogier #8 (Traditional finish). They were both 12” Cabinet Maker’s. A few weeks later, when he was building this fabulous table, he used them both again. He found the the finer grain Liogier took off more timber in less time than the coarser Auriou. Obviously the finish was smoother, as well.

Out of around 70 Rasps ordered so far, our members have specified 4 Traditional (1 member), 3 Titans (1 member) and all the rest are Sapphires.

Another of our members (who is very well known in your forum) had a special request for rasping inside Dovetail Saw handles. He wanted a small curved rasp for this task, and this is not a standard item (the Curved Rasps are the same profile as a Cab. Makers). “Oui, monsieur, no problem – send me some pictures and I will make a recommendation”. It looks like he will be getting three Modeller’s 6” in grains 9-12-15, and they will all have a concave curve (the Curved is Convex, and stitched on the half-round side only). The beauty of hand crafted tools eh?

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but Liogier can stitch for right or left handed people (no price diff). How cool is that?

-- PLEASE SIGN MY PETITION ON SAW FILES http://www.change.org/petitions/saw-file-manufacturers-please-make-quality-files-for-sharpening-handsaws

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