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10-25-2011 08:14 PM

Topic tags/keywords: non-shop standards

I urge everyone to consider the value of everything they post to LJ. Is it really beneficial to the site or not. It is really rather pointless to continuing rehashing the points made in numerous political threads since non-shop debuted. If we let it, it will only get worse in the coming year. I apologize to all for allowing myself to be drawn into these debates.

I have always been active and informed, eager to educate and a champion of the down trodden; generous to a fault. Prior to Rich’s post calling for ignoring the numerous political rants and the events with Autumn and T-Chisel I had begun to withdraw from those threads.

I have had many PMs thanking and encouraging me over the last couple of years. It is truly time to put LJ back to the site I found. We need to return to and adhere to the standards Karson and the other early members set.

-- Bob in WW ~ "some old things are lovely, warm still with life ... of the forgotten men who made them." - D.H. Lawrence

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#1 posted 10-25-2011 08:42 PM

good post topa….....i personally do not go into the political posts, and love lumberjocks for the wood working place that it is, i love the idea made here and hope it will generate a better feeling here, when things sometimes get hairy…so here is to lumberjocks, a wood working web site….cheers

-- GRIZZMAN ...[''''']

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#2 posted 10-25-2011 09:19 PM

I’m with you Bob. I enjoyed this “Non Sop Talk” forum at the beginning before it got hot with politics. I especially appreciated the forum when my wife and I (36 years today) were traveling cross country this past summer. You followed us and gave us some good advice along with a few other folks. That’s when I became a LJ friend with you.

But since the political debate started heating up, I haven’t checked out this forum at all. I got a notice about Rich’s post and now yours’. Hang in there buddy and thank God you don’t live in NH. Politics has already ruined my landscape and those damn signs will be there until Jan when they change colors for the general election. “First in the nation” has a price not to mention our phone.

Enough with politics since I have a lifeI hope you and your family are doing fine and if you ever get that 5th wheel up here in NH, look us up. And if I don’t answer a knock on my door, try my workshop door… cheers!

-- Bernie: It never gets hot or cold in New Hampshire, just seasonal!

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#3 posted 10-25-2011 09:24 PM

People definitely need to be conscientious about what they’re posting and what they’re commenting on.. ignoring troll-alicious posts is a good practice. Flagging abuse is also a good thing.

My first love on here are the woodworking projects, then blogs, then shop-related forums. Non-shop talk is last on my list and the content is ridiculously small (stats on google reader confirm it), yet it generates the most buzz. Lately, there have been more anti-politics posts than political content.. Which I suppose one could categorize that as being political (in the LJ sphere).

Regardless of whether I like the political stuff or not, I’m not going to ruin it for people who feel the opposite. Both domains can exist as long as people take a chill pill.

I’ve advocated this before, but it bears repeating:
What has helped me manage content and posts is running the RSS feeds through Google Reader. This way, I don’t miss a single post. You can also filter out posts or only subscribe to a certain subset of posts.

1. All Posts

2. Projects only
3. Blogs only
4. Reviews only
5. Forum Topics only

If you wanted to skip everything but the forum, subscribe to 2-4 in Google Reader. Not only is it a more efficient way to read content on LJ, you can filter what you want.

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#4 posted 10-25-2011 09:26 PM

This is my official signature on this petition. I agree.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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#5 posted 10-25-2011 09:32 PM

well said bob

i don’t comment there anymore either

with LJ’s being free to join
many internet feeders
seem to gravitate here

and post whatever they feel like
as if that is going to make some difference

sadly these people are not doer’s
they seem to be whiners

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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#6 posted 10-25-2011 09:38 PM

I agree this site needs to be back to normal I.e the way it once was .We now have too many new jocks set hellbent on troublemaking,or disrupting what we have earned .Or am I wrong?Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#7 posted 10-25-2011 09:42 PM

@Scotsman – eternally the devil’s advocate, which jocks would those be? Also, what exactly has been ‘earned’?

-- Dan, Rochester, NY

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#8 posted 10-25-2011 09:42 PM

Count me in too, Bob.

-- "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good." Voltaire

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#9 posted 10-25-2011 09:45 PM

We’ve had a few bumps along the way and we are going over one now. Yet, this is a great site and I sincerely hope it stays that way. Thank you for your post.

May I add one more point. This is not a US only site. There are many LJs from other countries and I think that is great. I don’t see our friends from other countries making political statements about their country or the US. Respect for these LJs is another good reason to restrain from political talk on this site.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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#10 posted 10-25-2011 09:53 PM

I don’t know if this would be helpful at all or not… But perhaps a sub forum that was specifically “Opt In” for those that want to hammer out political / religious stuff. I am pretty sure we all have fairly strong beliefs one way or another on those subjects, hashing them out in a woodworking forum seems to be counter productive…

As a counter point, I moderate on another woodworking forum, which has in its terms of service a prohibition against posts / topics of a political / religious nature… That is a hard thing to keep people from talking about… And people get angry at you for upholding the rules (trust me folks, you never want to be a moderator!), some drop off because they got infractions for breaking the rules. But overall, the site is a much better place for it… Feelings don’t get hurt quite so easily when things don’t run quite as deep as a persons beliefs both political and religious… I have never heard of a holy war over hand cut versus machine cut dovetails you know?

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#11 posted 10-25-2011 09:56 PM

Really great piont Rich

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#12 posted 10-25-2011 10:35 PM

Dan if you don’t get my point there is no point explaining it some good people have left this site since I started.Please maybe you could explain why.Alistair

-- excuse my typing as I have a form of parkinsons disease

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#13 posted 10-25-2011 10:50 PM

In my opinion nothing has changed on lumberjocks if u are looking for woodworking. If anything the woodworking has gotten way better as more people join. The only thing that has changed is the drama over if people should be allowed to post certain topics or not because other people don’t like it. Which to me is absurd, and completely against any type of thing we’d want here. It’s politics now…but where does it stop? Where is the line drawn? Is it ok to force people not to talk about politics bc a few people are complaining and don’t like it? I don’t like pen projects…can I complain and get those removed or banned from lumberjocks, or is that crossing the line? HERE is the bottom line – Martin draws the line. That’s why there r rules set in place. It’s none of our rights to try and demand something be taken off because a few cant look past it. No one is breaking any rules so I don’t understand what the fuss is about???? The ONLY reason there is drama on lumberjocks now (over this politics issue) is because the complainers are complaining (again) and trying to make lumberjocks into exactly what THEY want for themselves. If you want a woodworking site that completely fills your own needs I suggest u go make a website and hang out there. Otherwise stop complaining and enjoy the woodworking like everyone else. The people who r participating in those types of threads are not bothering anyone but the people who choose to participate. It’s literally that simple. This whole thing reminds me of a fight on the playground with a bunch of grade schoolers. Holy crap. GET OVER IT ALREADY

-- Hey you dang woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!!!!

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#14 posted 10-25-2011 11:00 PM

Ok all, let me see if I have this unbelievable thread correct.

Topa is implying we have gone too far with the political posts and we should evaluate the “value” of what we post on LJ. It all sounds very honorable, his willingness to educate and be a “champion” of the down-trodden and all.

He even states :We need to return to and adhere to the standards Karson and the other early members set

Yet, if you look at his posting history, he does not follow his own advice.

The mere fact that his own signature contains the link to a political site ( that does nothing more than spew the rhetoric of his own politcal views proves Topa, you are at the absolute height of hypocricy.

You clearly say and profess one thing while all along doing something else.

The OP is laughable. Hurry Topa and change your signature before everyone else see the hypocricy.

-- “When you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.” ― Thomas Sowell

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#15 posted 10-25-2011 11:04 PM

Toppa, “Good on ya mate” as we would say down under, & thanks Rich for the reminder, hopefully the shear weight of first class work posted on this site will bury misplaced posts.

-- Pete G: If you always do what you always did you'll always get what you always got

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