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Forum topic by pariswoodworking posted 10-24-2011 07:57 AM 3195 views 0 times favorited 75 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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pariswoodworking

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10-24-2011 07:57 AM

Ok, I know many of you do not like politics, and I try to avoid discussing them on this forum, but this is something I have a passion for. I love guns. I believe we have a right to own any gun we want and any law preventing it is unconstitutional. The UN wants the US to sign a small arms treaty that will severly limit our 2nd amendment rights. Obama plans on supporting this treaty. Here’s some info on it.

While the terms have yet to be made public, if passed by the U.N. and ratified by our Senate, it will almost certainly force the U.S. to:

1.Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.
2.Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).
3.Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).
4.Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.
5.In short, overriding our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

This is from Forbes.

I don’t know about you, but I don’t want this to ever happen. It violates much of what the founding fathers stood for. Why should we allow a foren power to take away our rights? Don’t we have a right to defend ourselves? (Despite popular belief, gun control does not prevent crime. Criminals will get guns illegally if they have too. I have actually did research on this and found that there is less crime when there is little gun control. That is true of different states, countries, and even decades.)

The right to bear arms is the shield and sword of the constitution. I don’t know about you, but I think taking away this right is something that should never happen.

-- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein


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RetiredCoastie

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#1 posted 10-24-2011 08:26 AM

The UN can BITE ME! The first thing we should do is kick the UN out of our country after that send the libs with them!

-- www.thepatriotwoodworker.com Proud Supporter of Homes For Our Troops

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#2 posted 10-24-2011 08:29 AM

+1. I have never trusted the UN and this is proof that I was right not to trust them. Try not to make the libs mad though. They are entitled to their ideas, (I will not say anything about their ideas except gun control does not work) and we need their support too. :D

-- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

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#3 posted 10-24-2011 08:48 AM

Thats true but they are the ones that have been trying to do away with gun owners rights and would be the ones to vote for such B.S.

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#4 posted 10-24-2011 09:15 AM

Yes, but just remember not all of them are for gun control. The citizens won’t even get a vote in this. Only the Senate. Hopefully, if it does pass, the next president will trash it tell the UN where they can go.

-- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

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#5 posted 10-24-2011 09:55 AM

Constitutions, amendments, UN, politics etc etc aside – I hate guns and I wish they’d never been invented.
However, they have been – but the fewer there are in the world, the better, IMHO.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#6 posted 10-24-2011 10:14 AM

KnickKnack, Are you sure you don’t hate the people who use guns to do evil? Guns will not do any harm in the hands of responsible gun owners. Plus, there is the fact that more gun control=more crime and less gun control=less crime. Don’t believe me? Check for yourself. Look up the stats for crime (violent) in areas that have a lot of gun control like California and Washington DC then compare it to the crime (violent) in areas with little gun control like Texas, Montana, Arizona, and Oklahoma. You can also get a simular result by looking at the violent crime rate in the early 1960s and compare that to the crime rate in the 70s, 80s, or today’s crime rate.
(There was a increase in gun control in the 60’s)

-- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein

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#7 posted 10-24-2011 10:51 AM

I hate guns – the guns. But sure, there’s an issue about who uses them – can’t argue with that.

You’re saying that less control produces less crime?
Well – that shocks me. I don’t dispute your data, but it does surprise me.
Why is that? Why does more control produce more crime? That’s weird. Seems counter-intuitive to me.

I’d still just rather “the average joe” did not have a gun that required controlling.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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#8 posted 10-24-2011 11:22 AM

You have to remember we are talking about the same people who want to investigate how kadafi was killed. Two things I can tell you. kadafi was executed and the UN will never infringe on US gun owners rights. The UN will spend millions of dollars finding this out on their own. Just international political fluff.

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#9 posted 10-24-2011 02:18 PM

I don’t own a gun, but I used to. The CONSERVATIVE government (who I didn’t vote for) here in Canada is scrapping the gun registry. One of the few things they are doing that I agree with. It was a multi million dollar debacle that only made life harder for honest folks. None of the criminals ever registered their guns, and it is the gun you do not know about that is dangerous. In the proper hands a gun is NOT a weapon, it is a tool, like any other, designed to perform a task (putting food on the table). On that note, you do not need a fully automatic firearm, it is not the tool you need to get that grouse or rabbit to the cooking pot. So I do agree with the ban on automatic repeating firearms, not even useful for moose hunting. It does not matter what restrictions you put on firearms, all that does is open up a door for more criminal activity, the underground firearms market. None of which get registered.

-- I still have all my fingers

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#10 posted 10-24-2011 02:28 PM

I’m am one that holds my right to bear firearms to a higher degree than that to my life itself. The right to bear arms defines freedom to me. To remove that freedom negates all other freedoms and I am thus enslaved. It should be plainly obvious how I would defend this right, given that life without it means nothing to me. Hate me if must, but I admit this openly, and there of many of me. I am a licensed firearms instructor and have never broken a firearm law in my entire natural born life.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#11 posted 10-24-2011 02:37 PM

I know that it is cliche but to me “gun control” means you hit what you aim at.
BTW Even though bein way up here in Yankee land ,when it comes to my firearms I am a card carrying Redneck!
tom

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#12 posted 10-24-2011 03:06 PM

I’m a CCW permit holder. I do not always carry and I do not “advertise” it when I do. I feel it should be up to the individual and not some outfit like the U.N. that can’t even control themselves,to stick their nose in my holster.
Remember,the people at the UN have immunity so if they commit a crime they walk. Do you really think they care about your rights?

-- Life is good.

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#13 posted 10-24-2011 03:12 PM

If guns kill people then pencils misspell words and forks made Rosie Odonell fat.

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#14 posted 10-24-2011 03:17 PM

KnickKnack, I see in your intro that you are in Europe and if that is still the case, then you have a totally different perspective. I worked for a Belgian company here in the USA for almost 40 years and have seen the fear and loathing of guns to be a consistant mind set of Europeans. I have as much trouble understanding your perspective as you do ours.

One theory of why less gun control equals less gun related violence is that a criminal will obtain a gun anyway, legal or not, for the power he feels it gives him over his victims. But that criminal is less likely to use that gun to threaten a victim with it if the victim is just as likely to have a gun. In fact, when everone has a weapon, gun, knife, bow and arrow, or whatever, that weapon ceases to be an instrument of authority and control.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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#15 posted 10-24-2011 04:02 PM

Yes – I’m from, and still in, Europe.
I was brought up in the UK, and Singapore, where no-one, not even the police, had guns. I remember the first time I arrived in the US at how shocked I was by the guns the police were carrying. I guess there is a different mind-set between the 2 sides of the pond.
I’ve always felt more secure walking down an English street – where I knew that, broadly speaking, no-one had a gun, than I did walking down a US street where, well, who knows how many of the people I passed had a gun. Except in Salt Lake City, where I was scared for other reasons :-)

The right to bear arms defines freedom to me
I can understand that.
But I would hope that there would be a line somewhere – “The right to have sarin in my kitchen”, “The right to have C4 in my shed”, “the right to have a nuclear bomb”? I would just rather, personally, that the line was drawn on the “not have” rather than the “have” side of the line. I’m thankful to have spent most of my life in countries where guns were not the norm.

-- "Do not speak – unless it improves on silence." --- "Following the rules and protecting the regulations is binding oneself without rope."

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