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Forum topic by agallant posted 10-17-2011 04:29 PM 2795 views 0 times favorited 55 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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10-17-2011 04:29 PM

<rant> I am starting to hate Saw Stop, I know I am going to start another 200 post long thread here and get everyones blood pumping. For the love of god these people nickle and dime you to death. I just noticed that wood craft started selling Saw Stop stuff on their website. Everything is an extra $200. I mean I paid $2,200 for my contractor saw, I got the saw, 32 inch rails, t-glide fence and outfeed table for that. Want cast iron wings instead of the crappy sheat mettel ones they ship with that is an extra $200, want a blade gard with dust collection, that is $160, want a mobil base, that is $200. Hell when I think about how much I have invested in my SS I can’‘t help but think of the really nice PM2000 that I could have in my shop, along with a nice jointer and hell for what I paid for the SS total I could have a Festool Domino cutter in there too. I mean there is this part of me that hopes that my hand will slip in to the blade so I can use the technonogy that I am paying for and of cource be out another $200 for a new blade and break…... </rant>


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Firefighter

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#1 posted 10-17-2011 04:39 PM

I like the idea but probably not enough to spend the money on one. Why did you buy it?

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#2 posted 10-17-2011 04:43 PM

I bought it because I got bit by my last TS, I got lucky but it made me start thinkgin about time lost from work and health care expences if I did have a good accadent on the TS. Also my wife uses it from time to time and she has not spent allot of time around power tools. I still like it but god, these people are going to go out of business once PM, Delta, Grizzley ect have a blade break.

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#3 posted 10-17-2011 05:06 PM

I bought a sawstop pcs for school good saw, $2900 with everything. I bought bought a 5hp delta for myself with mobile base for $2700 with the rebate included. There are a few things I like about both and things I dislike about both. I like the delta unisaw the best.

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#4 posted 10-17-2011 05:13 PM

Can you tell me what you like better and what you don’t like?

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#5 posted 10-17-2011 05:29 PM

Help me understand the reason(s) for your rant. Surely you checked the prices for the whole package before you laid your money on the table. You chose the upgrades, and if you found their prices that objectionable, why did you buy them? Did someone hold a gun on you?

It’s common knowledge that Sawstop is the only game in town with that technology right now. If you feel that you need it (or just want it), you have to pay the piper.

I wouldn’t bet on Sawstop going out of business any time soon. They own the patent on that technology and any competing technology will certainly have to go thru patent infringement litigation. If their technology actually gets mandated by law, the other manufacturers will probably obtain licenses for it – and pass the cost on to the customers.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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#6 posted 10-17-2011 05:43 PM

Sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side.

now lets put things into perspective. you bought a contractor saw which comes with the lower-end accessories (tables, fence, DC, etc) to make it ‘affordable’ SS option.

to compare apples with apples, a Delta cast iron extension table is also $200:
http://www.toolmarts.com/del_36-937.html

As well as any branded mobile base ($200 for this delta):
http://www.amazon.com/50-289-Mobile-Machine-52-Inch-Unifence/dp/B000022346/ref=sr_1_7?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1318865993&sr=1-7

but you didn’t buy the saw for the accessories did you? you bought it for the saw break technology, and that is part of the expense and was a known issue from the get go. sucks that you have been having regrets ever since you bought your saw. sounds like you never really fully understood the reason you bought it for to me. I think if you really understood the reason and accepted it you wouldn’t have so many regrets.

good luck.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#7 posted 10-17-2011 06:10 PM

A patent runs out after a period of time. Or you can change the technology enough to qualify for a new patent without infringing on the original patent.

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#8 posted 10-17-2011 08:06 PM

You are right, I knew what I was getting in to when I bought it. I just think that for a saw that is around 2K out the door, the saw it’s self is not a good value, the value lies with the break. Honestly the saw is a $1,000 saw, if that. Every saw I have seen at that price point has castiron wings. You are paying a $1,000 preamuim for the break. I have had the saw for about a year, I think I need to write an honest review of it instead of a ‘I just got my new toy and love it’ kind of review.

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#9 posted 10-17-2011 08:13 PM

Buyer Beware, and Buyer be aware

-- Joe

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DS

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#10 posted 10-17-2011 08:14 PM

I suppose that’s what happens when a safety device company builds a saw instead of a saw company building a safety device.

Do you suppose if some of the high-end saw makers build thier own safety devices they will be mediocre when compared to the saw stop safety device?

-- "Hard work is not defined by the difficulty of the task as much as a person's desire to perform it.", DS251

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#11 posted 10-17-2011 08:17 PM

Agallant, all I can say is never buy a new Porsche. “Oh, you wanted seats?” Gives new meaning to ala carte.

-- My dad and I built a 65 chev pick up.I killed trannys in that thing for some reason-Hog

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#12 posted 10-17-2011 08:29 PM

I see Agallant’s point, which is the main reason I haven’t bought a SawStop. The price on the PCS isn’t cheap we all know, but outfitting a SS contractor saw the way most of us would want it pushes the price way to close to the PCS. It seems rather absurd to me. I think SS really missed the pricemark with the contractor saw. The saw equipped as he described should be in the $1,600 range TOPS, not $2,200. I thought about picking up the contractor model a couple of years ago but couldn’t justify it.

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#13 posted 10-17-2011 08:32 PM

I have a gently used ridgid ts 3650 I would be willing to trade you, even up? I think the value in these saws is that you should have as many fingers at the end of the day, as you started with. There is an inherent value there. As many have said before, its cheaper than trying to re-attach a digit.

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#14 posted 10-17-2011 08:41 PM

Knothead –
You’re right that patents eventually expire; and that infringement can be avoided by making enough change.

However, patents run for several years (17 IIRC), and patents applications are usually so broadly written that it can be difficult to avoid infringement. The cost of proving non-infringement can be extremely high, and take years.

Semi -
Do you have information that can prove that that saw shouldn’t cost more than $1,600? Please share it.

-- Adversity doesn't build character...................it reveals it.

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Greg..the Cajun Box Sculptor

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#15 posted 10-17-2011 08:44 PM

Just curious….How many Lumberjocks reading this have cut yourself on your table saw? It obviously can happen to anyone but who here has it happened to?

-- If retiring is having the time to be able to do what you enjoy then I have always been retired.

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