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Kjuly

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10-14-2011 02:53 PM

Topic tags/keywords: resource power tool review toolselectcom

When looking to purchase a new power tool, woodworking forums are a great place to ask questions. ( LJ’s is at the top of my list) It’s a fast and easy way to gather information about a specific tool. However, I find many times the information is vague, incomplete or you get so few responses that it would be hard to make a decision. I am not criticizing this, it’s just that it takes time to write complete answers.
I recently read a tool review (on another forum) where the author started his four sentence review with “it’s a piece of junk, don’t waste your money”. He/she threw out a few colorful remarks about how he/she did not like “It” but never offed to explain what was wrong with “It” or what could be done to improve “It”. The responses from five other forum members agreed with the original poster without saying what their experiences were. Readers were left with a short rant and no supporting information.
So, where can you go to research your next power tool purchase, including current prices? Try a new site www.ToolSelect.com . Now you can take the information that you have gathered from LumberJocks and add it to a ToolSelect.com review and make an informed decision on your next power tool purchase.
Here’s a Yahoo News article http://news.yahoo.com/toolselect-revolutionizes-way-power-tools-chosen-launch-071411741.html
Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com


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PutnamEco

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#1 posted 10-14-2011 06:56 PM

Thanks for the heads up. There are indeed a bunch of places to check revues of tools. We have a very good resource here. Very often it seems people are putting up websites with the hope of generating ad income rather than from the desire to share information. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they lean to far towards the must make money from website side to be truly useful. It would appear to me that ToolSelect may be more marketing than useful info at this time, but if they ever do get a critical mass of reviews they may become a website worth watching. I did join the site and submitted a review, just to give it a whorl.

Some of their listings in their ToolSELECT Feature Finder left me scratching my head.
When you see a listing under batteries under power and it has volts, amps, and cell platform and the options for cell platform are either 1P or 2P, I wonder WTF are they talking about. I could find no explanation on their website, (nor the internet, for that matter) of what a 1P or 2P cell platform is. When I think of cell platform, I’m thinking of who is the manufacturer, which of their cells are used in the battery and how many of them are there.
Then under circular saws, listed under trigger, I find a option called soft touch, listed as either yes or no. This is a new one to me. Have circular saws come up with some new kind of trigger that nobody told me about? They have some new padded style trigger, did they do away with the click style trigger and just now use a contact trigger?

Then they have no way to ask any questions like this, on their website other than to submit a form to the ether.

http://www.tool-rank.com/ would seem to be a better website if all you where interested in was tools and reviews.

-- “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Kjuly

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#2 posted 10-14-2011 07:24 PM

Hello PutnamEco,
You are right, there are a several sights that offer tool reviews. I wrote a tool review some time ago and I am still getting offers to trade links. Most of the offers I get are from these sites that just collect links to share and don’t have anything beyond a listing.
I joined today so I am just learning my way around the site. I do like the videos. A good overview from someone that has used the tool.
I think you make an excellent point about being able ask questions. Maybe have a drop down window with a list of common questions.
Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com

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#3 posted 10-14-2011 07:39 PM

The big problem with tool reviews is; it takes much time using the tool before any evaluation can be made. By the time that has been made public, the tool may have been phased out or replaced with a newer model. Consumer Reports is one of those testers that is almost useless. Every time I refered to CR for buying advise; I would try to buy that particular model that was tested only to find out that model had been replaced by a new model. One reviewer labeled the Panasonic 12V cordless drill as the “best”, but try to find one. Tool manufacturers can change their product overnight so a cordless drill made in March may not be identical to one made a few months earlier. Drill motors can be supplied from many different suppliers; you or I will never know; only the manufacturer. So, I guess I don’t put too much stock in reviews of any kind. It is very rare that user reviews will be 100% negative or 100% positive. For every 100 reviews, there will be 100 different opinions. Opinions can vary from minor to major. The only way you will able to choose the right tool is to just buy it, use it and evaluate it. No one else can do that for you. To me tools are as personal as the clothes I wear, the food I eat and the scotch I drink. I took a look at their website and wasn’t impressed at all. Looks like every other reviewer. It seems to be aimed at contractors, home owners and hobbyists, not toward those who view tools from a critical point of view. I think what is missing is 1. country of origin; 2. name of company who actually manufacturers the tool; 3. Assembled or made in U.S.A.? These three items would serve as filters for those who want to know more and have specific preferences. I think we have the right to know everything about a tool, or anything else that companies want to sell us.

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#4 posted 10-14-2011 09:19 PM

Re: Ron
The big problem with tool reviews is; it takes much time using the tool before any evaluation can be made.

I don’t blame the reviewers for this, I think the blame should be focused on the manufacturers, who roll out some minor revisions and put it in a new package just for the sake of that New and Improved label.
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I guess I don’t put too much stock in reviews of any kind.

I try to read many reviews and try to see if there are is any kind of general consensus. If most of the reviews cite problems, it is a fair assumption that it is a defective tool. Got to love the many choices the internet offers for that.
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Re:
Panasonic 12V cordless drill as the “best”, but try to find one

Try Googles shopping page
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I think we have the right to know everything about a tool, or anything else that companies want to sell us

I agree whole heartedly on this. That is always one of my concerns is that the reviews seldom go into enough detail, nor do they test for a long enough period to show any weaknesses or failures. This is especially true with cordless tools, where it is easy to put a battery with a high discharge rate and a low cycle life just to appease the media with the tools power. It seems to me that there is a collaboration of the corporate world (manufacturers & media) to have consumers part with their money with the least amount of thought possible, most often choosing style over substance and durability.

-- “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” ― Franklin D. Roosevelt

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#5 posted 10-15-2011 07:48 PM

Monkees are attracted to shiny objects. Maybe that’s how the corporate world sees us. I just love the advertising media; they say a Jeep car can go 500 miles on a tank of gas and another claims 700 miles on a tank. This doesn’t tell anything about fuel economy. They must really think the public is stupid.

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David Grimes

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#6 posted 10-15-2011 08:58 PM

”This doesn’t tell anything about fuel economy.”

... or what the capacity of the tanks are. You are right. So misleading.

-- If you're going to stir the pot, think BIG spoon or SMALL boat paddle. David Grimes, Georgia

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#7 posted 10-15-2011 09:48 PM

Went and looked. Some things were promising. Then I looked at cordless impact wrenches. What’s the fundamental spec you care about with an impact wrench? Torque. Not specified. Instead, they have “impacts per minute”. Do I care? Not really. Torque, that I care about.

Next!

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#8 posted 10-17-2011 03:28 PM

MrRon – lol. So true. I’ve been attracted to shiny objects most of my life.

Over the years of reading tool reviews in print and on the web, I’ve come to several conclusions -

1. Everyone has a bias. I love Bosch and Festool. I know there are problems with these manufacturers (I’ve posted some), but I really like them. I will hardly ever find fault with those tools.

2. You get what you pay for. If you purchase a tool that is cheap, claims to outdo every-other product on the market, and falls apart after one use – you got what you paid for.

3. Although I generally listen to the “pros,” I fall back to my #1. They too have bias. I love reading about how this person only uses Corona brushes to apply lacquer, while the next will only use an Apollo HVLP, and of course everyone knows that both are wrong because so-and-so uses a Titan.

Tools are just like anything else. If the grip feels good and it does not weigh a lot, you’ll pick it up. Just as in fishing, if you like the looks of a particular lure, you’ll use it. The more you use is, the more likely it’ll catch fish. If it doesn’t, you’ll switch until you find something you like.

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tom427cid

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#9 posted 10-17-2011 06:55 PM

to brtech,
break-out torque as far as any impact tool is concerned is IMO the only spec that matters.
tom

-- "certified sawdust maker"

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Kjuly

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#10 posted 10-18-2011 02:42 PM

Hello Billy,
I love the fishing analogy. That reminds me, I haven’t been to the Muskie fishing forum in a while.
I agree with your bias comment. I have seen it in past reviews. Sometimes it’s blatant and other times so subtle it’s easily missed or overlooked. You have to ask yourself, is a magazine that has paid advertisement going to offer an unbiased review for a tool they are promoting in their magazine?
So, what about the guy or gal that is looking to buy a new router but never owned one before. Do they just pin a bunch of router adds to a dart board and hope for the best. Or join woodworking forums to ask questions and read reviews in magazines and online to gather enough information to make an informed decision.
Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com

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Kjuly

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#11 posted 11-06-2011 12:14 AM

I did a tool review and posted my experiences. In case you missed it.
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/2454
Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com

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Woodmaster1

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#12 posted 11-06-2011 12:32 AM

Speaking of reviews is ll johnson lumber a good place to buy hardwood? It is about a 90mile drive. I thought you would know since they are located in Charllotte.

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Kjuly

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#13 posted 11-06-2011 12:56 AM

Hello Woodmaster 1,
I like their selection and service. They have a store in South Bend In. but I am not sure about the selection there because it is a smaller store. I would call ahead to make sure they have what you are looking for or if they can get it. My shop is a couple of miles from their main store, warehouse/sawmill, in Charlotte, Mi.
Send me a PM if you are headed this way.
Keith

-- Keith, Charlotte, MI www.julyswoodworks.com

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Woodmaster1

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#14 posted 11-06-2011 03:57 AM

I will send a pm. South bend is just as far but Charlotte is an easier route straight up 69. I will probably make a trip in the spring.

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