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Michigander

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925 days ago

Hi Guys, I am new to the forum and am about to set up a shop in my basement. I have wired 220v to run a table saw. I was planning to buy the Grizzley G071P hybrid as I wanted to keep saw cost under $1000.00 and need a saw with dust collection capability. Unfortunately, I have read on this forum of severe problems the blade allignment issues with the Grizzley Hybrid; some of which seem not to be resolved after some months, or require the saws to be returned to the factory. I don’t want to run into this kind of issue with a new saw and have to return it to the factory for repair. It will cost me $100.00 to have movers help me get the saw in the basement and another $100. to remove (plus the aggrivation…) So I am looking for an alternative. I have read very good things about the Craftsman 22116, which I understand is made by Orion. Who is Orion?
Unfortunately they are out of stock nationwide, so I am looking for your input on the Craftsman and alternatives. What are the must have features of a Hybrid Table saw. What would you buy? I am just a weekend hobbyist, but plan to make furniture so need something that will have the needed precsion. Thanks for your input.
John


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agallant

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#1 posted 925 days ago

I have not heard too many good things about Craftsman. I don’t own a table saw but I have other power tools from them and I am not impressed.

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StumpyNubs

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#2 posted 925 days ago

I say buy a good hand saw and hook the 220v up to it. I can lend you a couple of good heavy copper wires if you need them…

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Michigander

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#3 posted 925 days ago

Hey Stumpy does your name tip me off as to why your recommendation is to use a hand saw?
John

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agallant

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#4 posted 925 days ago

I kow you read some things about Grizzely having some issues but the G1023RL is getting great reviews. It is a bit over 1K but you get a built in router table with it too which is great to have.

Closer to the $500 mark you could get a ridgid, I had two of them, they were work horses.

I guess my advice would be if you are going to set aside $1000 for it get a 3hp saw to start.

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#5 posted 925 days ago

With $1k budget and 220 power, you want to consider an older used cabinet saw. Delta or PM maybe, you will have to scout CL and auctions, probably take a while. In my area, I dont see a lot of used cabinet saws. Lots of contracor saws though.

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#6 posted 925 days ago

Michigander- I’ll let that insult slide since you’re a fellow Michigander…

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#7 posted 925 days ago

I agree with ShaneA. The table saw is the heart of your shop, so I would try to get the best one that you can afford. Its a good idea to look at a good used saw on Craig’s List, or Ebay. Know your prices, and be patient…there are a lot of very good saws on there for half the going rate of a new one.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#8 posted 924 days ago

+2 with ShaneA and Snowy. You could get used 3 hp Delta or Powermatic cabinet saw. Make sure its a single phase. Also doesn’t Griz have a decent cabinet 10” saw for around $1,200 ? Don’t get a hybrid you will only end up replacing it.

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#9 posted 924 days ago

What part of michigan are you in? Quick scan of Det CL, had a PM 66 and a Shop Fox. They are out there.

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#10 posted 924 days ago

I have had the Grizzly saw you are interested in since last Feb. It required very little tweaking and has remained dead on with no further tweaking or wandering from alignment. Check out the business card holders I posted today. All the parts were cut with this saw and my ‘super sled’. Obviously, I am very pleased with mine but I have read the horror stories from others. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend this saw to my best friend.

-- " I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter" gfadvm

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KBX500

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#11 posted 924 days ago

If you’re just starting out, and your profile states that you are new to woodworking, you would probably be best served by buying a high-quality, older, used contractor saw. You can take it apart and lug it up and down the basement stairs yourself. (Many contractor saws can be easily converted to 220v and adapted to work well with a dust collector) If you buy used, whether it’s a contractor saw or a cabinet saw, you’ll know if it works before it goes down the stairs. Then you’ll save on the purchase price and if you decide to stick with woodworking you can sell the used saw for what you paid for it when it’s time to upgrade. That’s not going to happen with a new hybrid saw. Saving all that money is important because you’re going to have plenty of other things you’ll need to buy.
A table saw is a very important piece of equipment and you want to buy right, but buying new is no guarantee of that, especially with a $1000 budget. You’ll find that for each project you complete your percentage of time spent on the tablesaw will actually be quite small – frighteningly small compared to what can spent on one.

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#12 posted 924 days ago

Orion is a subsidiary of Steel City. They’ve manufactured the former Ridgid R4511 hybrid saw, the former Craftsman 22104, 22114, 22124, and the current 22116, as well as the former Steel City 35610, current Steel City 35925, and 35930 (nearly identical to the 22116) ....all quite well received, with the biggest gripe being complaints about a specific two-piece rail used on the fence of some, but not all of those hybrids…the Deluxe and Industrial fences are very well regarded. I wouldn’t let ignorant views of a name plate stop me from buying a good saw at a good price if you can find one, but it’s worth noting that the Craftsman 21833 is made by Dayton, not Steel City/Orion, and is a completely different saw (it’s essentially the same saw as the current Ridgid R4512) ....bottom line, buy the tool, not the name tag.

FWIW, in spite of some reports of alignment problems with the G0715P, there are many happy owners of that saw. Issues with a few don’t necessarily correlate to issues with all, and Grizzly has a good reputation of solving future issues that arise. I’d also consider their G0661 hybrid style contractor saw.

Since you’ve got 220v available, I’d definitely give a lot of consideration to the option of stepping up to a full 3hp cabinet saw like the Grizzly G1023RL, G1023RLW, G0690, or a Shop Fox W1819. To stay within budget, you may even find a nice deal on a used cabinet saw like an older G1023SL, Shop Fox, Unisaw, PM66, Jet, GI, General 350/650, etc.

Since a pic is worth a thousand words, here’s a pic of the guts of a typical hybrid, vs the guts of a typical industrial grade cabinet saw. There’s a lot more to the differences than just horsepower…

The desirable features of just about any table saw are good power, smooth operation, stability, ease of alignment, ability to hold alignment, reliability, operating space, accurate fence, good dust collection, availability of accessories. Blade selection and alignment are huge factors in how well any saw performs.


Good luck and please keep us posted.

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Michigander

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#13 posted 923 days ago

Thanks Guys for your input. Wow it’s like drinking from a firehose! There’s a lot to consider. Your advise to look for used saws, especially contractor saws is good. Do you have any Make & Models to look out for. I’ve focused all my research so far on Hybrids, so now that I want to look at Contractors, I need your recommendations on what units to investigate and those to stay away from.
Thanks for your help.
Michigander
ps I am in SE Michigan so my market area can include Toledo, Detroit to Lansing

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 923 days ago

Why is that I just cannot seem to get that picture of Stumpy using his 220v handsaw out of my mind? Is it the smoking eyebrows? Crossed eyes?

;-)

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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tom427cid

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#15 posted 922 days ago

Hey Mike,
Somewhere I have a 120v hammer that was given to me-never used-if Stumpy has to adjust his electric handsaw.
tom

-- "certified sawdust maker"

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