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woodsy11

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10-12-2011 02:10 AM

G’Day Folks
Greetings from Australia

I’m establishing a new woodworking shop and wish to purchase, preferably a 5 in 1 machine, i am relunctantly willing to spend between $A10,000 to $A16,000.00 to achieve this.
However i’m “very green”, that is new to this whole process, and not even aware what is available in the market place. Can anybody suggest a few manufactures that i could look at.
I have already traveled to the Minimax showroom in Melbourne and indeed the Felder showroom to look at some Hammer machines.
I studied the Laguna website, but only seen a picture of the corresponding Robland machine.
Can anybody suggest other machines i might consider in this price range, my intention is make furniture but the space in my shop is restricted so a combo seems to offer the best compromise.
I particularly interested in hearing from people with “Hands on experience” with such machines, who can offer a critical performance based opinion.

Cheers Woodsy11
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-- Woodsy11,Victoria, AUSTRALIA, woodsman10@bigpond.com


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Gary

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#1 posted 10-12-2011 02:21 AM

There are a few LJ’s here that are from Australia. You might check with them to see what the market is like there. I’m quite sure they will help, they always do
BTW…. Welcome

-- Gary, DeKalb Texas only 4 miles from the mill

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#2 posted 10-12-2011 02:49 AM

Buy slow, buy used. There’s no hurry to get the big machines. Unless you already
have a commitment to serious solid wood millwork and furnituremaking you are
putting yourself in a bad position buying a 5-in-1 new. This is a hard craft to learn
and master and, at least in N. America, the second-hand market is littered with
1/2 price (or less) 5-in-1s bought on credit by dudes who thought woodworking
looked like a fun hobby and thought a big combo machine would make it easy.

It doesn’t.

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Tootles

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#3 posted 10-12-2011 03:13 AM

G’Day Woodsie

Although I am in Oz, I cannot comment on machines that are available – other than perhaps the Triton Workcentre equipment that you can purchase from Carbatec (I have a Workcentre and circular saw, but nothing else as yet). I doubt that is what you are looking for however.

I do however, have some experience with combination machines, my father has a small Kity Bestcombi 5-in-1 (saw, planer, thicknesser, spidle shaper and morticer). From that experience, my preference is to have individual machines. The issues with combination machines, as I see them, are:

  • Potentially, the saw table is a bit small to be really useful
  • Often they have one drive belt that must be moved from one machine to the next when you change usage. This is both a nuisance and also often not easy.
  • If you have a problem with that single drive belt, or even with the motor, that’s five machines out of order
  • The planer / thicknesser blades may not be as wide as you might like. While a 100 – 150 mm wide jointer may not be a particular restriction, that might be too narrow for a thicknesser.
  • The Kity Bestcombi uses special spindle cutting bits rather than router bits. These are both difficult to find in shops and are expensive.

There are a lot of posts on LJs about how to make the most of limited space for your workshop, many with much less than a double car garage. The main lessons that I have taken from what I have read are:

  • Put as much as you can on lockable wheels so that it can be stored out of the way but brought out for use.
  • Use your wall space as effectively as you can.
  • Back your table saw up to your workbench so that the bench can be used as a run-out table.
  • Dust collection

Hope that helps

-- I may have lost my marbles, but I still have my love of woodworking

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