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10-07-2011 02:58 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question bandsaw planer

Hello,

First post here. I’ve been looking through topics for a while and have gathered a lot of information here and there about the two topics in my title, but am looking for a more direct response.

I am deciding between several pieces of equipment to add to my collection. Some background. I am using this for a small bedroom shop in my upstairs. I would like to keep the dust down to a minimum. The room is 13’ x 13’ with 8’ ceilings. I have a table saw, router and miter saw (along with the other common hand tools). I have a Rigid Shop Vac (the 12 gallon if I remember correctly – it sucks in a good way).

First up is the dust collector. I have seen/heard a lot of people using the Harbor Freight one…
Would you suggest it at $159.99 (plus tax = $171.59) or am I better off getting a better name and paying more. My other options are:

Shop Fox with a 1.5 HP motor:: SHOP FOX W1685 1.5-Horsepower 1,280 CFM Dust Collector: Home Improvement[/url]
Price is $248.84 (no tax, no shipping)
Shop Fox with 1.0 HP motor:: SHOP FOX W1727 1 HP Dust Collector: Home Improvement[/url]
Price is $212.00 (no tax, no shipping)

or a little better name and more money:
JDS 1.5 HP motor: JDS Company 14040 Dust-Force 1-1/2-Horsepower 1,250 CFM Vertical Bag Dust Collector, 110/220-Volt Pre-Wired 110-Volt: Home Improvement[/url]

For the HF and two Shop Foxes, I would need to add $36.35 to the cost for the 1 micron bag: Big Horn 11765 20-Inch Diameter 1-Micron Filter Bag: Home Improvement[/url]

Basically that means:
HF: $207.94
SF: $248.35
SF2: $285.19
JDS: $419.00

Next is the band saws. I have been going back and forth on these for a long time. Background – want something that can resaw (don’t know if I need anything too huge – 12” after a riser seems plenty). I’ve gathered from the forums that I don’t want anything less than 12”. I will use it for all purpose stuff.

My options are:

Craftsman on Craigslist (there are tons of them and they are only ever Craftsman or very old other ones).
Example of Craftsman]http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/2618299326.html[/url]
I can get this for $250 (no fence or riser included)

The next option is the Harbor Freight]http://www.harborfreight.com/14-inch-four-speed-woodworking-bandsaw-67595.htmlone[/url]. It looks pretty mixed on these forums about them.
$300.29 (after tax) + $89 for shipping (or $20 to rent a truck from menards)

Finally is the Grizzly]http://www.amazon.com/Grizzly-G0555-Ultimate-14%2522-Bandsaw/dp/B0000DD0AC/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1317907652&sr=1-1you[/url] all know about already
$475 + $74 shipping ($549)

Do you have other suggestions? Thanks for any advice!


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#1 posted 10-07-2011 03:03 AM

Go with the harbor freight dc its the best bang for your buck.

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#2 posted 10-07-2011 03:28 AM

Also, I only have 15 Amp breakers to that room…is this sufficient for the dust collector?

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#3 posted 10-07-2011 03:33 AM

I updated the post to make it more pretty.

I am pretty sure I’m going with the HF dust collector and the Grizzly band saw.

Also, I am considering this Makita Planer for $325 from craigslist…advice on this?

http://www.amazon.com/Makita-2012NB-12-Inch-Interna-Lok-Automated/dp/B000051ZOO/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1317951192&sr=1-1

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#4 posted 10-07-2011 04:07 AM

The dc is wired 110 with a 20amp draw but I am not sure if you can rewire the motor for 220 to get a 10 amp draw. the makita planer seems like a good deal. Same with the bandsaw best of luck to you.

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#5 posted 10-07-2011 05:05 PM

I am planning on running the Dust collector on a 15A breaker in the room and then running an extension cord to another outlet (on a separate 15A breaker) for whatever else I’m using. Since I really am only using one tool at a time, this should be sufficient.

I’m about to pull the trigger on the Harbor Freight dust collector + 1 micron bag and the White version of the Grizzly bandsaw…anything else I should know before I do?

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#6 posted 10-07-2011 08:16 PM

You will not be able to run the HF collector on a 15 amp circuit. Check to make sure the breaker can’t be changed. An electrician would need to check out the wire guage. If every wire in that circuit is 12 guage or bigger then the breaker could be increased to 20 amp. I have seen many homes wired with 12 guage then have 15 amp breakers. I’ve seen stupid things like 30 amp fuses on a 14 ga wire as well, so it’s a good thing the have a pro check it out anyway.

One possible work-around, if you are just absolutely stuck with 15 amp power would be to restrict the air flow to the collector by using a smaller hose, like a 3” or maybe a 4” and sealing all joints and possible leaks that might let extra air into the fan. Possibly a 4” duct with a blast gate partially closed would work as well.

If you have access to an amp meter you could check what the motor’s amp draw is when running and adjust the air flow to keep it below 15 amps.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#7 posted 10-07-2011 09:17 PM

@crank49: There are lots of people on this forum that have said they use the HF 2 HP on a 15A breaker with no issues

@cr1: So buying a dust collector is pretty well pointless? Why do so many people on here have the HF one that I’m looking at?

Thanks

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#8 posted 10-07-2011 09:24 PM

seabuscuit – a DC is a HUGE improvement over a shopvac for anything bigger than a router/portable tool. noise levels are lower, air flow is much better, and the size of the hoses accommodate tools like planers and jointers with larger chips coming off of them and FAST.

I think your best bet is the HF DC, but I wouldn’t go with a 1 micron bag. I would go with the Wynn Canister rated at 0.3 micron which will give you better air flow (larger filter area) and better filtration.

Keeping the DC mobile and using 1 tool at a time will give you far better results than trying to duct it and keep it stationary but it’s doable with proper planning (keeping runs real short). so no – you don’t need to spend $10Ks to have a good woodshop like some may want you to believe.

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#9 posted 10-07-2011 09:29 PM

Get the harbor Freight dust collector, but get the warranty! Its only $30 dollars for 3 years worth of replacement. I have been using mine for a year or so and the motor started to go out, but it is a great unit so I went and bought another one and got the warranty this time. Check out my projects and see how I changed up the dust collection layout and just used the motor and a cyclone.

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#10 posted 10-07-2011 10:02 PM

HF DC with good bags. I got my bags from Highland Woodworking.
Grizz on the BS. I have been pleased with the HF DC and everything I’ve bought from the Grizz guys/gals (don’t wanna seem to be gender specific).
Bill

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#11 posted 10-07-2011 10:15 PM

Crank49 is right on.
My HF dc is plugged into a 15A outdoor light remote receiver, which is plugged in to a 20A receptacle. Been 2 years and no problems. BUT…the dc has no bags and is vented directly outside. Probably cuts down on the draw, at least on start up.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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#12 posted 10-08-2011 12:24 AM

Alright thanks for the advice guys.

Any difference between the “Polar” Grizzly 14” and the green one besides the white one being newer? Does it matter which I get? Can me and another guy get this off the truck and up some stairs (says it is 200 lbs but it isn’t fully assembled is it? So there is more than one part)?

Also, gonna go with the HF DC and look into the Wynn (sp?) filter deal.

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#13 posted 10-08-2011 01:05 AM

Now I found out that the room I will be using has 1 – 15A breaker. If I go to the room next door and plug in…well that is the 20A breaker that my kitchen is on (so fridge and microwave).

Not looking good for me – rewiring isn’t really an option with my plaster walls and such….

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#14 posted 10-08-2011 08:07 PM

HF has a smaller 1hp “Portable” DC. I got one to build into a sanding bench and it works pretty good. Still a lot less noise than a shop vac. A shop vac is your best bet for portable tools, like ROS and Routers and such. I even use my shop vac on my planer because it’s in my garage while my DC and other tools are in a basemnt shop.

The wiring in your place must be fairly old. Modern code requires the fridge to be on a separate circuit, and most new homes put multiple circuits in the kitchen anyway.

I once came up with a work-around in an appartment for a friend. We ran a 10 guage extension cord through the duct work and came out through a bushed hole near the central unit. Put a new plug on the end and plugged it into a 20amp outlet. Not recommending this would work for your situation, but it has been done.

By the way, I sometimes kick out a 20 amp breaker with my HF 2HP DC. Happens with clean bag and using two open 4” ports at the same time.
The less resistance in a system, the more air it moves.
The more air that gets moved, the more power is required.
This can all be calculated using the “fan laws”, but there is no need to get that technical.

-- Michael: Hillary has a long list of accomplishments, though most DAs would refer to them as felonies.

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#15 posted 10-08-2011 08:36 PM

Does the room have a closet ?

Pentz is a cyclone salesman. If he says what I have won’t work, he’s wrong.

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